Karbon kyd London AKA Jason Gray

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[00:00:30] Hey, would you two love a hand shandy? Are you sure you can handle the both of us at the same time? I'll take two. Okay, guys. I'm Jason, and that's Jack. He stutters. I don't, but I'm massively dyslexic. Both of us are hairdressers with years of stories to tell. And this is Shit I Told My Hairdresser.

[00:01:02] Hello, listener persons. This is Jason and Jack. Hi. And we have a special guest, an old friend of mine, Jason Gray in London. How are you, Jason? Hello, Jason. I'm very well. Thank you very much for asking. Thank you so much for being here. It has been a while since we've talked and I reached out to you and I was just like, we

[00:01:28] got to get you on the show because not only are you a fantastic person, I've missed you. And I know you have some great stories. But anyhow, this is Jason Gray. He's a colorist. He's an amazing colorist over in London. We still work together at a company that, well, we worked at Tony and Guy together years and years ago. And Jason, why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself, what you used to do and what you're doing now? Okay. So I'm still fabulous, obviously. Perfect. Yeah.

[00:01:59] Specializing in color for 35 years. But my career has seen me, when I joined Tony and Guy, being an assistant and wanting to be at the top. So I ended up becoming a creative director, which was a big thing. Traveled the world doing all the color shows, collections, seminars, advertising. And then also within that time loop, worked as a global artist for L'Oreal for 10 years

[00:02:27] and then on to Weller for over 20 years. And then I left and branched out to do my own thing to be even more fabulous. Good. And then started dabbling in TV, film, theater and pop-up education because obviously the world has changed. So you need to be a show in a box in a sense. So my current life revolves around me dipping my foot in all of those windows, which is how

[00:02:57] I prefer it. So I am, yeah, I am, you know, I am attached to lots of different things and the new product brands as well, which I'm doing lots of stuff with, which is great. Cool. And how do you pronounce that? Because I'm, I completely screw in the U.S. Just like Kuhn. Is that correct? Ah, okay. Yeah. So I'm working with Dutch brand Kerner. Kerner. Okay. Yeah. Kerner. Okay.

[00:03:24] But yeah, a lot of people say that I had that when I first joined and I was thinking I need to be able to say this properly and like no proper pronunciation. So when I memorized it, I memorized it as Tina Turner. Kerner. Kerner. I love that. Kerner. And then they all. We worked for TG. Yeah. Well, they had. Everyone used to say TG. Remember? Oh, you used to say TG. Yeah. My name is TG. It's like, yeah.

[00:03:52] And I used to say it's the two eyes were originally strokes, weren't they? To differentiate between the T and the G. Yes. Which was Tony and Guy. So TG. Okay. They put the eyes in, take things away. But yeah, that was just like constantly like TG. TG. TG. TG. No, it's not TG. TG. No, it's not. It is. It's like, no, we work for them. It's definitely not. You know? Right.

[00:04:18] So yeah, with the Kerner one, I did it as Tina Turner, Kerner. And also their main color line is called Tinta. So it's like Tina, Tinta, Kerner, Tina Turner. Yeah. I see. A word association. You find these little tricks, don't you? To make things work. And so one of the other platforms you had is all the two, your education system, which was Carbon Kid, right? Now, are you still doing that? That, I love the imagery.

[00:04:46] I love all the stuff that you actually promote on your Instagram or thing. I think it's amazing because it's nothing like that we get here in the United States. I think the work is beautiful. You know? I'm very like androgynistic, kind of like a feeling to it all. It's like, I love it. So tell me a little bit about Carbon Kid. Carbon Kid. Obviously my surname's Gray, which is Carbon, which is Diamond Dust. So there's lots of little stories in there.

[00:05:12] But Carbon Kid, I've got the youthful outlook of I'm never going to grow up. So get over it. And so that's a kid there. And Club Kid in there as well. And then, yeah, the Carbon being Diamond Dust is like quality, sparkle, fabulousness. So there's a little brainchild that evolved years ago. And I always said, when I grow up, I'm not going to. I will always be youthful, but I'll be a Carbon Kid.

[00:05:40] So it kind of decided that that was going to be me moving forward. And then I'll have my platform under Carbon Kid and everything. So under Kerner, I'm there as Carbon Kid as well. Oh, very cool. Yeah, it's good. The whole ethos on it is that I'm a pop-up artist. So I will bring my universe with me and make it happen. I'll bring on my own prop. And, you know, I have it like a little immersive art studio, really. And it's got an editorial overflow.

[00:06:09] So I'm interested in costume, fabric, theatre, film as my influences. So that's how I work. I work backwards. I don't look at hair first. I look at fabric, colour, and then create something. And that's what a lot of people ask. A lot of people ask as well, too. It's like, where do you get your influences? Where do you get, like, where do you see your hair going next year? And I'm like, you have to look at fashion. You have to look at what's happening.

[00:06:36] And that's how you can tell what is going to be happening in the future. Because a lot of people don't, a lot of even hairdressers don't even realize how to even look for that ahead of time. You know, they just kind of see what's happening in LA or something like that. And they go, oh, this is what's in the future. And they come out with these awesome little names like the octopus or the butterfly haircut. And, you know, right now, what's my favorite is I've seen ghost layers. We're doing ghost layers. I'm like, okay. What is that?

[00:07:04] Seamless layers where you're cutting the hair dry. You know what I mean? So you don't see the ghost layers. Remember back in the night? They're seamless, invisible layering. I guess so. It sounds a little like layers that'll just haunt you. Depends on how bad you fuck them up, maybe. But it's when people say this is the new thing. You're like, so that's a short layered haircut or a long layered haircut. No, no. It's ghost layers.

[00:07:32] You're like, yeah, it's still got to be short or long or mid-layer. So how do you teach that? Like, are you invisible when you do it? Or do you get a bunch of ghosts in to show you how to do it? Or, I mean. Everyone just showed up and then left. Yeah. We had a, what are y'all? Yeah, everyone's here. It was the haunted house collection. Everyone's kind of like peered at one moment, you know. We called it Phantasma. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:07:59] See, I have the whole thing of like quirkiness as in like Carbon Kids, you know. So pop art, full of flavor, got my own soup can. Yeah. I love that. You send me that image. I'll put it on the Instagram so everyone can see it. Have your own vibe and then like draw on all your influences from the past. And I think like for me, because I've always had the opportunity to travel the world like so often like work at Fashion Week and then work next door to the Royal Court Theatre, which

[00:08:29] is one of the most famous theatres in London. And like you'd have all the Hollywood people coming in as well. So you do their hair, like people like Jamie Lee Curtis and Stephanie Beecham and stuff. And then you kind of got like you're doing the collections and then you're working with Pantone and da, da, da, da. And then when you're going on the road and you've done your 46 colours for that day, the next day you then have to work the rest of the team and like prep all the models, you

[00:08:56] know, like mootin' up, do a bit of wardrobe here. All that experience is it becomes like a can, all canned up, like a soup can, I'd say. So that's what I do now is I use those references and I make my own event. Sometimes we have like artists, music, peppered stars, just make it more interesting and more fun. That's one of the things that people ask, you know, I mean, it's just kind of like, how

[00:09:21] do you get into something like this and how, you know, cause everyone now is like, one of the buzzwords I'm hearing now, especially on social media is to specialize, you know? And you know, that is one of the huge buzzwords right now that I'm seeing all over the place. And it's one of the things is like, yeah, you can specialize, but you also have to go through and take everything in. Like you were saying, I remember we would go and do shows and you would take care of the color, but you're also taking care of the wardrobe, you know? So that was just part of it.

[00:09:50] It's kind of like you're being paid, you do your bit and yeah, you've got 46 colors at the same time. They're all being bleached and stuff and you're like worn out, but then they're paying you the next day. So you need to be working, right? So what can we get you to do? You know, do the wardrobe, which I love. I've washed all the shoes as well and that. And everyone thought I had the best job in the world because you've got all those stunning female models coming in. Yeah. Yeah. And they're like, that's so great. Yeah, it depends.

[00:10:17] It's like, well, it's better when the male models come in as well, you know? Well, for you, for me, it was the female model. Yeah, I know. Yeah. So I was like, and it was good depending if they were, you know, bitchy or not though, you know what I mean? So, because half those girls, you're like, I am not dealing with your fucking attitude today. Not today. Oh yeah. Then like, you know, like I don't want to wear that. Why don't you want to wear it? It's a jacket. I don't like it. Well, it doesn't matter if you don't like it. You just have to wear it. You have to model it. That's kind of what you're here to do. And we're paying you. Put the jacket on.

[00:10:48] Smile. And we're paying you. By the way, this is part of the outfit. Have a nice day. Yeah. And then the worst ones were the ones that were coming with hardly any clothes on and everything hanging out. And then you're like, can you put that really nice dress on? No, I don't like. Well, you came in like your knickers and bra, like putting a dress on. It's hardly like asking you to spend any drug with you. Just wear it. Oh yeah. Yeah. It was, it was, it was always a fucking feat with half those girls.

[00:11:14] Cause you had like an army of them coming in and they all wanted to go through and look better than the other girl. And they all thought they were more important than the other girl. And I remember, I remember one time I snuck backstage to London fashion week. God, what was that? Looked like a little castle where they held it at in London. Um, Oh, what the, um, what it's up. Kensington stuff. It was like the main show was like, yeah. So I remember I snuck in the back and cause I had my little Tony and guy bag. So they let me in and everyone was like, how the fuck do you get in? I just snuck in.

[00:11:44] And so they like, they hand me a curling iron or running behind and, uh, these models would even have like their own little groupies and shit with them. Yeah. Yeah. You know? And they're like, you know, talk to them. That'd be like magazines back trying to interview people. And one girl would just not let me fucking curl her hair. And she was having a cigarette sandwich. And, and I remember who was heading up the show. She was like, how come her hair is not done? I'm like, she won't stop moving. And she was, watch this. She comes over to help me out. She takes the curling iron and the girl's moving again.

[00:12:13] And she leaned in and burnt her ear. Right. And the girl screamed. She's like, what? She was like, you need to stop moving. We need to be on stage. And then 20 minutes for the show. Yeah. And she looked at me. You know, the event you're here to do. Yeah. And she looked at me and she was like, you shouldn't have any problem now. You know? I was like, all right. I finished curling the hair. I was like, perfect. My favorite one was we did this show at this big famous golf course in England. And so we're in the country and we're trying to find this certain model.

[00:12:42] And she's a bit like mentally mad anyway. It's like, where is she? No one can find her. She's out in the fields chasing bunny rabbit. It's like, what is wrong with you? Like she went, yeah, but I like chasing bunny rabbit. She's like, yeah, but not today, love. You know, like right now you need to be in here in hills, walking, getting on there and letting us do your hair. She's like, yeah, but what about the bunny rabbit? Yeah. We need to be doing your hair. You don't need to be outside chasing the hair. Like get the fucking side. We need to handle her.

[00:13:12] Yeah, yeah. Your hair is the only important hair that we need to know. Exactly. Sit down. Shut your face. It was always such a fucking production. You know what I mean? It was like people think like, oh, you guys have such a great job. And it is. Don't get me wrong. I loved it. I had a fucking, I learned a lot. I had a fucking blast. But God damn it. Was it a lot of work? Because you're there for like, you know, 16 hours a day. I mean, it was just such a production. We were there 16 hours a day.

[00:13:42] The bosses were there for three. You know what I mean? And then they wouldn't have. Yeah, exactly. Three minutes. And that was it. That was in between the Red Marlboro cigarette break and being the first person to the food table. Exactly. And then the three minute, you know, like, yeah. But you know what I learned is I only work with dancers and artists as models now because they bring much more to the event because they can choreograph everything.

[00:14:11] They'll help with, you know, get the lesser models in line. So I will travel with them because they can be the head model, the choreographer. They can be a dresser. And they're like, they're great. Everyone says, yeah, your formula is so much better. Because I can't be dealing with what about it? What about it? What about this? We need to be on stage in five minutes, you know. Yeah. Not like I need to phone my agent. This has all been clarified, love. We've done it. We've been there. Like, oh, boring. You know.

[00:14:40] So I found a formula that works for me and I'm really happy with my little self. And when we've done events around the world, even the production team has said, your group is just so easy to work with. We just say push play and we have it already. Nice. See, that definitely was not the case with what we used to do. It was like, you know, trying to hunt down the girls, trying to get them back there, trying to get them to walk. And you're like. They would just hire girls who look nice and they would just stand there. They don't know how to dance.

[00:15:10] They don't do anything else except get their hair cut and stand there. I've had experiences of them even like a broad undercarbred kid where they we've been somewhere and they've got these really expensive girls who are hard work. And I remember once she's just like she won't sit down. She won't do this. And they went, you know, I just don't want to go home. And then you go up to her and say, right, do you know what? It's actually fine. You can just go. And the minute you dismiss her, she wants to be part of it now.

[00:15:38] And then it all like, look, just get. Oh, I've been sorry. You just want attention. Yeah. So sit down, smile. Let's get on with it, please. Because you're not the most important person in the room today. Exactly. And you're not going to get paid. No. But you know what as well is you saying about like having pretty girls stand there. The formula I like best, which I learned from someone a long time ago, is the only thing we need from you right now is to put those shoes on and walk.

[00:16:08] If you can't walk, go to the left. If you can walk, put you on the right. But they don't know what the left and right is. And then again, okay, all the girls on the left, thank you for coming. We're not being used to you today. All the girls on the right, please take a seat. Then it's all like, oh, but what about me? It's like, you can't walk. You can't walk in hell. Oh, I can? No, you had your chance. You can't. But, you know, that's a fact. You can't walk. We need you to walk. That's really important. And then the magic happens off. Exactly. So. You know. Dancers are better.

[00:16:36] Thank you so much for all that. But we also need to go through and part of the show that we have here is not only going through and talking a little bit about ourselves, get to know you a little better, but to also go through and tell some of those behind the scenes stories that Jack and I. What? Yeah. The famous shit that we're so used to on a daily basis. When you actually look like that in the pictures afterwards.

[00:17:03] You can't see this, but Jason is holding up a large photo right now with a huge nose on it. And on the teeth is a girl's mouth. And it says shit on her teeth, which is amazing, which I love. Basically, it's a shit mouth. Yeah. But the nose kind of looks like half the people we've worked with, though. That's for sure. So. If you know what I mean. Yeah. Yes. Well, because you see a lot of nose rubbing. Oh, God.

[00:17:33] Absolutely. But what we were talking, we were having a catch up and we were talking about you, some of your travels and going to one of the ones was when you went. You two, that's Spanish speaking country, Spain. And you were out. So you got to tell you got to tell us a little bit about that. Because this. I was dying when you told me the story. It was so good.

[00:17:57] So we're going to this particular salon where we're doing all the prep work and it has a downstairs basement area. So it's like, what's happening downstairs? It's like, we'll go and have a look. And I went down and went, ah, this reminds me of where I do my client in the basement. There's no windows and stuff. But it's a great environment. It's like a little nightclub. They're like, yeah, yeah. And I was like, so do you have, you could have parties out here, couldn't you? They're like, oh, yeah, yeah. He's like, hey, is it me?

[00:18:27] Is he like trying to tell me something? And anyway, it turns out that there was more going on in that little area than before. It wasn't just parties. They were actually using it to film pornography. So I kind of accidentally asked him. And he accidentally kind of tried to tell me without telling me that, oh, yeah, we do a lot more than just do hair here. We hire out and make porn movies.

[00:18:52] So imagine like if the client knew you could probably get like an STD from sitting in one of the chairs, you know, or something like that. That was the grim thing I thought afterwards. I've just sat laying, leaned back in the basement and like been rubbing the chair with my hands. Were you thinking like, yeah, it's really nice. Yeah. And then I was just like, oh, God, I wonder what went on in that particular chair. How many people were actually on that chair at the same time? They're washing more than hair. Yeah, right. Exactly.

[00:19:23] Yeah. Yeah. I wonder what they were cleaning out in those bowls and those shampoo bowls. What were they cleaning out? Don't answer that question. That was, yeah, that was like. You don't want to know. Well, it's fully equipped, isn't it? It's fully equipped. You can wash hair there in any shape or wherever it is. You probably stand in the basin and then put the hose over you and just like rinse yourself off. Or you turn the hose up the other way. Exactly. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:19:52] Conditioner. So. Would you like a treatment on that? Did you have an audition then? Or. I didn't. They want you to work there now or working in. That would have been interesting. Basement. Yeah. Well. Having open auditions. The story gets better. Oh, okay. There is more. The question that you've asked. So we had a conversation about this particular scenario.

[00:20:18] And one of the people that was in the room at the same time was laughing. And then two months later, they weren't laughing because they found that their boyfriend who keeps flying away to see his parents isn't actually flying away to his parents. He was going off to Eastern Europe to film pornography as well. Oh. Even harder. So that went down, you know, like a lead balloon. She had a face like a clapped lung after her forfeit. Yeah.

[00:20:47] She went very hard. Oh, God. Even worse. It's not the basement. I mean, he's off. Yeah. The dreaded basement. Czech Republic or something. I'm in the real hardcore stuff. But you guys have proper basements in the States, don't you? Not. Yeah. In every building. We not like how they. So like, especially in Europe, you know, they have the actual basements in a lot of the buildings. And now they're starting to make use of a lot of it. Like, you know, like you were talking about, like throwing parties.

[00:21:17] Air quotes. I'm putting on that one. Or workspaces. Or. So it's not like that here. Like, especially everything is so new around here compared to England or Europe. You know what I mean? We don't have those types of like basements or anything. Except that the way they're portrayed in American movies, that everyone's got this giant basement of a boiler and a clubhouse and a room to lock someone in. Yes. We do have those. Some do. Yes. Yeah. Or we have like a daylight basement. So that way it's like people actually see inside.

[00:21:47] Or it's where they, you know, bury people. One of the two. You know, because that's what we do here. Or put them in the freezer. Yeah. Like. Exactly. A certain person that you knew was frozen. So, you know. And then. Maybe more people do that. For Christmas. It's like, hey, let's have a kneecap or, you know, for Christmas or a leg or a thigh. Let's just go down and say hi. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Are you all right? You're warm enough. Yeah.

[00:22:21] All right, Jay. So, one of the things that we talk about. And here's the thing. One of the things they always get as well, though, too, from a lot of the people that listen to this show is that there's no fucking way that these stories are real. You know? And every single. Oh, I love it. How dare I? I know. Who cares? I mean, you don't have to believe it. But the thing of it, though, is that we wouldn't just be sitting around talking and like making shit up like this. That's for sure. You know, so there's a lot of truth to what we say.

[00:22:49] And people don't believe that when they walk into like a high-end salon, they go, this is a beautiful place. It's really nice. You know what I mean? You're like, yeah, but someone was going through and like, you know, snorting coke and giving someone a head in the bathroom. You know, just about an hour before you came into the salon. You know, and they're like, what? You know, or the swinger that I was talking about, you know what I mean? And bringing his girlfriend in. And that was just the client. Yeah.

[00:23:14] It was really funny because one of my clients who was just listening to it was talking about the swinger episode that we did. And I go, oh, my God, by the way, the guy who would bring in the girlfriend to try to recruit inside the salon is the next client coming in. And she's like, you're fucking kidding me. I'm like, no. So she had to wait around and see who this person was. She had to make sure it was him. So did she want to be part of his little group? Is that what? Probably. She probably slipped on his number, you know, her number. Maybe. I didn't see.

[00:23:44] She had whatever you want to do. I don't give a shit. He had an unusual interest in him. So. But that's the thing. It's just like some of the things that we've seen and just heard people are kind of like, there's God, there can't it can't happen. That did not happen. Or I have one client who has like a coworker. Bloody well. Yeah. And they get together every week and they talk. And they talk about it. She's like, there's no fucking way. But that's exactly why I brought you in.

[00:24:08] Because it's not just here in like the United States or Denver, Seattle, L.A. where we were at. But in London, there's some crazier shit that happens over there as well, too. So on this part of it, let's bring on another story, my friend. Well, like disco salons, like in the, you know, obviously we were all like 20s and 30s and stuff. Working in a hair salon in a prime location. Like it would be the same for you where you were and stuff.

[00:24:36] But like in London, in the West End, like weekends, if like everyone's priming up for the weekend, it would be like coming in on a Saturday morning. Yeah, you probably did not sleep very well or had too much to drink and were a little bit like foggy around the edges. But, you know, there's stories that were told throughout the day. The music got louder. There was little cocktails here and there.

[00:25:02] And then in one miraculous period of time, there was a magical man that used to walk through a salon that I worked at. Like on a Saturday at 5pm, he would arrive like in a cloud of smoke or just in black leather with a crash helmet. Take the helmet off, walk straight through reception down the stairs. No hair. So why was he there? Some could say now, if it was now, he was a delivery driver or someone from Just Eat or Amazon.

[00:25:33] But why was he there then? And what was he doing? And what was the reason? But he floated in, floated around the room for a bit and then mysteriously disappeared. And he had a lot of friends who liked him on Saturdays. So, you know, like, you know, he was like, Father Christian, what was he doing? He definitely was a delivery man, just not the type. Yeah. He was making deliveries that he didn't. Exactly. Yeah. He's a 90s. What was he delivering? Cigarette? Hmm. Alcohol?

[00:26:02] We wouldn't know. I don't know. Yeah, I never knew that. No, he wasn't. Socks? Carrying alcohol. Socks for the weekend. Maybe he delivered socks to people to wear on Saturday night. I don't know. But he came in for years and he never spoke. But he seemed happy when he left. He can sound like Mickey Mouse, but you have no fucking idea. He came in with his high-pitched voice, but he wouldn't even say a word to anybody. You know what?

[00:26:26] The funny thing is the manager, the legend manager of that time, as well never questioned it. It was very bizarre, but it was funny. It was his friend. Maybe it was his friend, yeah. For us, it was like the girls at the front desk always had a couple of bindles inside the till. And that's where everyone would get it from, would be the girls at the front. So we didn't have the mystery man with the helmet that would walk in. You just walk up to the front.

[00:26:55] And I remember our creative director would fly in from London sometimes and ask where he'd get a little gear. And I go, just go to your front desk. You own the place, right? He goes, yeah. Just ask girls at the front desk. They'll search you out. And she's like, yeah, but I can't do that. I own the place. I'm like, yeah, it's your till. That's why you can say it. You can say it, yeah. So he'd make me do it. So I'd go and get a couple of bindles and go, here, here's a couple of grams of gear. Here we go. But it's like you own the place.

[00:27:24] So you kind of- It belongs to you anyhow. Yeah. Part of being a- You do what you want. Part of being a- Part of the thrill of it all. Drug addict is you got to have nerve enough to go get it. So don't be asking Jason to go, will you get my cocaine for me? You know, just go get it. Did you ever find out who the guy with the helmet was? Did you ever talk to him? No. I don't know where he came from. I don't know where he came from. No one knew his name?

[00:27:53] No, he was a man with no name. He was just the man that came in on Saturday at five o'clock. Was it maybe- Special man. Night Rider. Maybe Banksy. You know, maybe he came in for advice or a fringe to him. Maybe. You know. Maybe he had his helmet polish. On the movie. So we see on movie credits, you know what I mean? It says motorcycle guy and motorcycle number one. You know what I mean? That's who he was. That was it. That's all that he was. Yeah. Like in Grease 2. Like Smooth Rider. That guy. Exactly. Have you ever seen that? Grease 2 when he's on the motorcycle.

[00:28:23] Yeah. Maybe it was him. I think so. Maybe. Yeah. Years ago. Yeah. I think that's what it was. He came out of his helmet polish. Yeah. Is that how we got paid? But in LA, what they would do, I remember people would have it delivered, but they would have it delivered through the valet. So all the restaurants in LA, everybody, the parking was so bad there that every, if you want people into your restaurant, you had to have a valet service.

[00:28:52] And so when people would have a couple of drinks and they're ready to get all geared up, what they would do is call their dealer. The dealer would actually drive into the valet. You'd be outside waiting. You wouldn't give a ticket for your car. You just wait for your dealer to pull through and they wouldn't be going to the restaurant. They would just hand you your gear. You'd hand money and then they would just pull straight out of valet. So that was why people would go. How did you hear about this? I've seen it. I've never heard of it. But I spoke in America.

[00:29:19] In America, the valet thing is a bigger thing, isn't it? It's not really a thing here, is it? In LA, it's huge. In Seattle, no one has it, but in LA, it's huge. Because everyone has cars and no one will walk anywhere. It's not even if it's like two blocks away. In London, if you handed someone your key in London, they'd either steal it or just look at you and go, and?

[00:29:46] That would happen in New York, actually. I've heard about that. It's like somebody pulls up, hands a guy the keys, and then Kozen comes out. He's wondering where the valet is. Where's my ticket? And they're like, we don't offer valet here. And so he's like, well, I handed my keys to somebody. And I was like, oh, well. Did he give you a ticket? It wasn't me. Did you? No, but did you wait? Did you? I don't know. I don't know that part of it.

[00:30:15] But yeah, I've actually heard of that happening. And it probably was a guy wearing a valet jacket hanging out, waiting on that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Like hustling it. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I suppose that's something. He should have just asked for some cocaine. You know what I mean? Probably could have gotten that for exchange for the fucking car. Well. Yeah. Well, maybe he did both. Maybe he had it in his pocket as well. And it's like, just see what happens. You know? It's just like, you know. And yeah, everyone's a winner at the end.

[00:30:45] Well, he's a winner anyway. Isn't that right? Oh, I've got a car for nothing now as well. Still got a pocket full of stuff on the car. You know? Now I can drive someone now. Yeah. No, but in LA, that's what they used to do. I remember going out with some of the girls from the salon and they would just like call their dealer up and they would just drive on in, pull through valet, wait a bit, grab the Coke, and then they would leave. But a lot of the clubs, it was just like, usually they would have like a bathroom attendant that would have that. Yeah.

[00:31:14] And there was always some like, you know, Mexican guy named Jose who was sitting on a stool half off his ass, just like, you know, selling you like meth or Coke or what on the bathroom. So it was like, he was not there. And a spray of Anteos. Yeah, exactly. Or anything that he got at the airport last week. Yeah. Yeah. With these guys, they were so fucked off their ass, they just give you Lysol. You know what I mean? Even if you have anything that smelled decent, you know, just Lysol them down. And I always found that really, you know, like in the toilet attendants where they'd

[00:31:43] have like perfume, really nasty ones as well, like that you wouldn't even spray on a dog. And then like lollipops, you're like, who goes in the bathroom and eats a lollipop? You know, like, what's that all about? Like, they go, wash your hands, wash your hands. And you're like, you're selling bloody lollipops at 3am in a toilet. Like, why do they don't have to wash their hands? And sweets in a bowl. Like, yeah, that's like really nice. You know, I tell you what's funny.

[00:32:12] I used to go to a nightclub and it was in an old theatre and it had a restaurant in it. So at 3am, we used to wander into the restaurant and there was people sitting there eating lasagnas. And I used to think, that's just so random. Like, 3am, everyone's like this. And someone's sitting there tucking into a lasagna. And you're like, do you not get what's going on here? You know, like, people are out there dancing and really sweating. They're the ones that you're eating a lasagna.

[00:32:41] Everyone else is doing gear. They're not having lasagna. So I was always turning up for like a kebab or something like that. So at 3am in London, that's for fucking sure. You would have loved that because it had the restaurant in the nightclub. You didn't even have to leave. You'd sit there and eat the lasagna. And then go back and get more fucked up. You could live there. Yes. Go back on the dance floor, throw up. I love that. That's one of the things. It was always a nice one. After you eat, you get something in your stomach. You know what I mean?

[00:33:09] It's like that dance floor must have been a mess after that. I could only imagine. Yeah. You know, or what the bathroom was like. Yeah, it could be a bit grim. But you knew not to stand in the corner that was nearest the restaurant. Because that's where the people who came from the restaurant tried to then start dancing and have another vodka. And then get out of that. That vodka lasagna. In the corner. Oh, God. I think that's where our friend used to go to. You know what I mean? Because we told a story a while back about one of the guys.

[00:33:39] Actually, you know who this is. Who was actually shampooing a client at one of the Tony guys. So that was really hungover. Yeah. And then he threw up in her hair. I bet you it was lasagna. I bet it was lasagna and vodka. Yeah. Exactly. Was that also like Saturday? Did he just? Saturday morning. She didn't know. Did she? She caught on that he threw up in her hair? No. He told me that he was near pushing it down the drain and using more shampoo so she couldn't smell it. Oh, God.

[00:34:09] He said the girl next to him was dry heaving. You know what I mean? As he was like, you know, trying to push the chunks down into the bowl. I was hysterical. Like imagine. Like your head's in the bowl. You wouldn't hear it because of running water. You wouldn't really smell it because of the shampoo. Right. Pansion. Pansion. Wafting up. Or whatever it is. Yeah. And it's. Oh, if she only knew.

[00:34:37] I tell you on like we we call it a basin area that way in England. So when we when I was an assistant, there was this thing of where we were all together. If you were shampooing someone's hair or whatever, someone else used to bring their their hand in as well and just see if the client noticed that there was free hand on that. You could see how long you could get away with it. That really nice head massage. And all of a sudden another hand. There's another one. There's another.

[00:35:06] And they even notice like. You're amazing. Like a massage. Well, you try and see if you get two hands in there. It's like you have four hands. Did you ever like walk? Just talking to them. You know what I mean? And like just have the other person just kind of rubbing their head. While you're you've got your. While you're standing in front of them. Like, are you ready? Yeah. No, no, no. Somebody else takes over. Yeah. I think you walk around the front. You just walk around. Your hands crossed. Your arms crossed in front of you. Yeah.

[00:35:35] And they can still feel four hands on their head. Exactly. They're like, you're amazing. How'd you do that? Yeah. Like I was outside having a cigarette. I don't know who was shampooing your hair. But I certainly wasn't frying up in that. Oh, that's the worst of someone throwing up inside your hair. But that is that's the funny thing about it. It's like here we are charging a premium for these people. Charging a lot of money to get your hair done.

[00:36:02] And then the next thing you know, someone's like vomiting in your hair or is like sunk so hung over. And they're waiting for their coat to come inside the salon. People have no idea what kind of happens like behind the scenes. So. Well, I think charging a premium and having four hands that you can't see shampoo in your head. That's pretty good deal, isn't it? Yeah, that's great. Yeah. Especially like you say, when you like you're talking to them and then you appear in front of them. But they're like, well, who's washing my? Mm-hmm. I love that one.

[00:36:32] It's part of the service. Oh, God. Well, Jason, I'd love to have you on the show. It's been absolutely amazing. What we're going to do is I'm in the show notes. You're definitely going to have your website. We're going to have Carving Kid. If you guys are interested in taking a look at what Jason does, any part of his education. If you're ever in London and need to go through and get anything done or want to go through and see what Jason is doing, everything will be in the show notes. Is there anything that I missed? Yeah.

[00:37:00] And also, if you want a four-handed shampoo, you know where to come. Exactly. Exactly. And I will come and sit on a stall in front of you as well at the same time. You know, that is premium service, isn't it? I'll make that hang up just for you. See you next week, then. Exactly. We'll be flying to London. All right. See you in London. Thank you for having me. It's been fun.

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