Behind the Glam With @katecutmyhair: Corporate Abuse, Non-Competes & Hair Industry Secrets

[00:00:00] hey Jason I know what I'm going to do I'm going to quit doing hair drop all my clientele I'm going to become an educator and educate for a very famous company I'm gonna be on stage I'm gonna be on tick tock instagram creating videos and be the biggest influencer ever and then when it's really time for it I'm going to sneak my way in and sleep with a CEO and hopefully he'll leave his wife and I can marry him and really be on top hey

[00:00:27] uh okay good luck with that enjoy your STDs real hairdressers telling real stories about their experiences from behind the salon chair and we are now saying the quiet parts out loud this is shit I told my hairdresser

[00:01:06] hello and welcome to a whole new episode of spin the bottle of herpy medication I mean welcome to a whole new episode of shit I told my hairdresser you never know what kind of shit is gonna come out of our

[00:01:19] mouths and today is gonna be another one of those do we break the ice for everyone is everyone kind of like you know yeah all right that's what we wanted to do so guys thank you so much for going through and putting on some great reviews for us on Spotify and on Apple podcast give us a follow on there tell all your friends and family and again 30 people that you hate this time we go through and get our voices inside their head to really piss them off and also follow us on tick tock on Instagram you guys doing a fantastic job on there showing us some love and

[00:01:49] and please go through and please go through and let us know what you guys want us to go through and cover and we'll go through and see if you guys want to come on the show with us me and Paula Paula how are you I'm doing great Jason how are you doing great feeling a little sassy you know coffee I know well we've got a sassy guest yeah right you know we got a sassy guest today too don't we do we have Kate from New Jersey with us today

[00:02:16] and Kate and Kate and I wanted to bring her on because we kind of come from the same camp you guys know that Paula and I come from you know the bedhead days and some of the corporate stuff and Paula you're doing all the makeup and everything and and Kate you come from a bit of a corporate world and you had a bit of a juicy story so we want to hear we want to hear the side that people don't really hear everyone thinks that I want to work for a brand I want to be famous I want to be up on stage I want to be

[00:02:46] seen I want to be noticed but there's also a different side to all that and you and I were talking about it and we want to get into a little bit of that juicy dirt so Kate introduce yourself tell us a little bit about yourself a little bit and then we'll get into some some shit what do you say hi everyone my name is Kate and I'm I'm here in New Jersey on Instagram I'm Kate cut my hair and I'm here in my salon suite vibe hair suite

[00:03:14] and I've been doing hair and I've been doing hair and I've been doing hair and I've been doing hair and I've been doing hair for 20 years and I took a little bit of a break from doing hair to go into the corporate side so I've done hair in New Jersey New York City I would probably describe myself as a freelancer with a location right now but I took about 10 years off to go into the corporate side to educate be in sales marketing kind of wherever they could put me

[00:03:43] because what I think what it seems to be is I was like um like an on staff hair stylist for many brands so someone comes into your salon and they do an opening order you're bringing on the brand uh you're putting quite a bit of money into it sometimes it's 30 50 thousand dollars to bring on that shampoo brand

[00:04:07] and they would rather have a salon um expert which would be a hair stylist right come in rather than just some guy in a suit who's trying to talk to you about hairspray so I was working in New York and I had a client who was doing the PR for a very famous luxurious brand that everybody would really loves right now it's yeah I use it I know

[00:04:37] in all the editorial fashion world everyone wants it it is described as the Chanel of the hair industry and I was doing this woman's hair and she's like hey uh we're launching this brand and I think you're like a business savvy hairstylist I think this brand would really love to have you and a week later I was hired and I was gone

[00:05:03] uh like yeah that was it like I didn't have any time to think about it I was leaving the salon world it was like take this opportunity or regret it for the rest of your life right um I lived out of a suitcase for many many years um it it affected family parties I missed relationships I was in my 20s my 30s

[00:05:30] yeah um so I kind of I say that because I giggle when I hear um stylists who tell me I'm done doing hair I'm gonna sell my salon and I'm gonna go work for a brand and I'm like

[00:05:44] okay cool all right because I will never eat Panera again yeah I don't want to no shit who wants frozen chicken it's just frozen fucking chicken yeah exactly right I mean I watch you know young kids right now they think that Starbucks is the greatest thing ever if you have a young kid they're like oh my god like get me Starbucks if you have been an executive in a brand

[00:06:14] like Starbucks is like drinking toilet water it's horrible because you'll go into some places where there's nothing else to eat but Starbucks you're living out of your suitcase I don't ever want to drink a cold brew Starbucks coffee again so I I am different where there's people who want to be an influencer they want to be on stage they want to do all these things and I've done

[00:06:44] fun cool things but I'm so happy to be back in the business model that I'm in now because I don't think that people realize how hard it is to live that lifestyle it's true it is but it's not just that though it's just like you don't know if the new kid that they hire on who might be a little cuter than you are a little more energetic could be taking your job as well though too you know which happens a lot because a lot of these big brands will hire you

[00:07:15] use you use you until they've used you up and then just dump you off and then you're done the ones that I trained that were underneath me I was I was put to task to train um put together teams in different cities all over the U.S. and Canada and the newbies would get certified through the company and then start teaching my makeup classes and make double the amount that what I was making when I would talk to the company about it they would say well you know it is a labor of love I'm all

[00:07:46] yeah no so yeah when I think about um you know I I credit my original mentor who taught me how to do hair she was in New Jersey and she gave me everything and there was I learned things on the road but I am always throwing it back

[00:08:13] to my roots yeah but every brand tried to take credit for we created Kate we created Kate she holds the blow dryer this way she holds the brush this way she curls your hair in that special little way she knows every brand tried to do it and it was my original mentor in New Jersey Barbara Castagno who took me under her wing and I had to build up the guts to walk up to her and say I

[00:08:40] I want to learn how to do hair and she taught me she didn't work for a brand she had this beautiful salon that her and her husband built and I every time I would try to say that everyone would knock me down like no this brand is no no no this brand did it for you no no no this brand did it for you and I'm like no no no this woman literally showed me how to cut hair how to blow dry hair how to do this how to do um every time they try to mold me into

[00:09:08] you're a New York hairstylist now I'm like no I'm from New Jersey and I'm proud of it I'm proud of it I'm a New Jersey hairstylist that I commuted into New York I've done the fashion shows I've worked Paris Fashion Week I've done editorial I've done photo shoots I've done celebrities I've done all the things but I stood my ground in I work I'm a New Jersey hairstylist and I never let them brand me as anything else

[00:09:34] because until I traveled the country for all of these brands and you saw some salon in the middle of I'm gonna just say Waco, Texas because I remember one salon in the middle of Texas yeah that was bumping like they were bumping and they had just people everywhere and they no Instagram no website no nothing they probably weren't even flying to some

[00:10:02] brand you know education and they were doing an incredible business they were creating jobs they were training people it was so inspiring that I everywhere I went I was like I need to find my way back to New Jersey and I did cool so what was that turning point for you that was one of the things we were talking about was like working for in the in the corporate era what was that trend where you kind of looked and you saw that the what was that moment that you looked and you're like okay

[00:10:32] this is the beginning of the end I remember you telling me that story about how she was about hitting the fan and it was like there were certain things that happened kind of walk us through that a little bit because it's it's a good story so I was working for a brand and I was young and I was in my first marriage and I was really sick and no one knew what was wrong with me so I would work in corporate and I would do hair on the weekends

[00:11:03] and the doctors were basically telling me I would never do hair again which is really really scary yeah and uh I had to get a pretty significant surgery where I was gonna have to be out of work from this brand I was working for and uh they were running a conference that was the whole industry was talking about it it was like Coachella for hair right yep so you had to go to your top accounts and say like you know

[00:11:33] here's your tickets it was like giving them like you know the Willy Wonka ticket but I was giving them their tickets but then I was gonna be home on my surgery leave for a pretty serious surgery that they were like hoping I would live oh yeah yeah so just yeah and as I'm home on surgery leave I get an email from an executive who everyone knew that he liked to

[00:11:58] drink at night um and I think that he thought he was sending the email to um a different Katie Katie and he sent it to me Katie and it said you know essentially get her back to work um I don't care what's going on with her her goal is you know multiple millions of dollars

[00:12:22] yeah um and yeah so I I started to realize it didn't matter how well I did my job that it just didn't matter no I was only trying to take two weeks off to just recover from the surgery and and get back to it so HR called me immediately because this guy had figured out what he had done

[00:12:45] uh-huh and I was I negotiated releasing myself of all of my pretty significant non-competes I could have of course sued but that's not how I play I just wanted to be let go of it yeah and I made it my mission to get back to hair I didn't go back to hair immediately because I couldn't afford to do that at the time but whenever I hear hairstylists who want to walk away from their

[00:13:15] clientele and they think that it's going to be the easier route I like to tell that story it never is but doesn't it feel good though to go through and know you can hold that shit over their head though it's a big teeny bit inside we're kind of like fuck you I got you you know what I mean so it's like right in there as well though too where because when I got let go from Tony and Guy

[00:13:40] and Bedhead they actually called me back the next week to rehire me I was like fuck you you know I was like no yeah you know yeah because when you do go back then it's like you know you're telling them everything you did to me and everyone else is okay you know I mean so it's good to have that in your back pocket and to let go but you you had a non-compete with this I had a non-compete

[00:14:05] I think at that brand I had a non-disclosure I mean when I came back to New Jersey coming back to the salon was all I I word it like this it was all about breaking all of my big girl contracts yeah because I was working for another I was in beauty tech at the end I did a big launch for a tool in our industry that blew up on tick tock

[00:14:38] led the team so that they could go out into the market and we made sure that the all the influencers knew how to use this tool yeah and that was that was the actual end when I really was like you know we're looking into the future and all of these things will be sold online by influencers right you know no I know we we know who they are yeah

[00:15:07] we're just talking about one before you got on we we know yeah oh my gosh I'm so obsessed yeah we'll do that till the cows come home yeah and you know it's I'm really happy I talk about this a lot that I had a lot of people who were coaching me from my corporate years get back to where you

[00:15:32] grew up live by your family you know build your Instagram which I've like organically built it I'm not looking to build it in any kind of way I don't aspire to be an influencer in any such way um but I did start to see where the industry was going and it scared me and I just was like I want to get back behind the chair and just do the basics and kind of reiterating what I'm saying is that

[00:16:01] there's so many people who have what I believe a really solid base and they don't think that's enough because they want to be an influencer and that makes me sad because creating content is a full-time job I don't personally want to be on camera all the time I don't want to try to figure out what's my tone what's my brand what's my message I just had a really ridiculous situation with a

[00:16:30] brand that they were trying to send me these crazy contracts and I just ignored them yeah I just ghosted them I get free stuff sent to my salon all the time they want me to post it they want to pay me to post it they want yeah and I'm like we're good I just had someone just actually go through me like hey well you know would you go through and promote something for this big brand you know that's where all the money's at and so I'm like I have to align with this shit I'm not just taking

[00:16:59] money just up at anybody because I'm like have you heard the podcast we say whatever the fuck comes out of our mouth you know what I mean we don't give a fuck you know and if I like what you're selling yeah it sounds like they were writing on your coattail all the way around and companies are coming back in and wanting to write on your coattail as well I mean you're very strong you're great look by the way and they want to write on what you have going on already and yeah I appreciate

[00:17:28] you being so organic too so it's just refreshing to see in our industry and it's been a long time since I've seen it thank you I mean I I love talking about my mistakes because I think that what people don't do online no one wants to talk about their mistakes ever yeah and I love talking about my mistakes because the things where I really will be much more boastful about is I'm so snotty about my

[00:17:55] clientele I've built the clientele that loves me I love them I break every rule in the the milady school book I curse I let them talk politics with me I I care about them they can text me I love my clients but when brands come pandering to me I'm like stop I don't I don't want to hear from you

[00:18:21] because I'm not gonna sell like I worked and I sacrificed to build this clientele so if you sell me crap I would be selling my clientele crap and I'm not doing it so you have to get through me and even when I worked in commission salons they loved me because the sales people would come in and I worked on those teams and there were times I was in the boardroom of different brands and I'd be like

[00:18:46] okay and I'd start asking questions I'm like I am asking you the questions that I want to make sure that my client is not getting scammed because we as a small business we work hard to collect these clients so I think what we're not doing in our industry right now is protecting our clientele even in terms of referring to different businesses I have businesses in my area I do not do color I don't

[00:19:13] do a lot of services so I just have business to hand out so I have to make sure as a professional that if I'm going to send somebody to a colorist that that colorist is top notch and I have multiple colorists in this area I'm like oh you need to go to this one you need to go to that one and then those people are also protecting my clients they're not going to say oh you should just go to super cuts

[00:19:36] and go get a blowjob because you know there are salons that would say what I'm doing is ridiculous my I am the most expensive haircut in my area but people value what I'm doing because they can talk to me about their beauty purchases their haircut lasts them for months and months and months which

[00:20:02] brings the cost of their haircut down and I'm also connecting them to all of the best professionals that I know that's what they're paying for and when they get to that other business that person is protecting them so that they're not messing up their investment hair color skin care haircut whatever it is you're protected you're paying it's like an insurance that you're paying for right and that's

[00:20:28] the thing is that that's why they're paying that high dollar amount you need to make sure that they actually get what they want I always cut hair as well though too so I have certain people I send it to and yet do I keep it in-house to make it a little bit easier yes but sometimes it just doesn't work out that way they have to fight the best person for them you know I mean and don't get upset about that and sometimes they might find someone to cut their hair so I'll be like hey you want to what I'm here I'll kind of clean you up don't worry they'll be back they normally are you know what I mean

[00:20:54] so it's if you're doing a good job and you're doing it well it's never a threat I never see it that way I think I wish that someone told me at this point of my career that I was going to have two businesses in my haircutting career I was going to have one side was going to be me maintaining my clients and then the other side I was just going to be correcting haircuts all day long

[00:21:21] I didn't know that was going to happen to me yeah and I know the offenders in my area so if someone's saying oh she's so expensive when they come in because they've gotten messed up somewhere else I'm like don't tell me who did this because when I go through it I'm going to know exactly where you came from yep and I'd rather guess it at the end you already know you're right now yeah it's just

[00:21:47] never you know I mean it's never really a threat so what do you see in this industry that is starting to kind of like bother you like the way that things are going as far as like would it be like the corporate structure or like the way that that's kind of moving is that what's really bugging you at all or um I actually would say right now as a small business owner what's bothering me

[00:22:12] is that it just feels like no one wants to actually do the work yeah like it it feels like there's people online that are selling these courses for like 29.99 that are a hairstylist who also learned tax code and they're gonna teach you all the things and I listen to young hairstylists I'm in a suite

[00:22:40] I can hear people in the hallway and I hear them giving uh it advice to other hairstylists with their full chest it would literally send people to federal prison yeah and I'm like what are you guys doing like this is not what we all did and at 40 years old doing hair for 20 years I can totally hire

[00:23:06] somebody but I have taken a lot of risk on opening a business paying my taxes traveling the world you know in this living out of a suitcase and I learned a lot from working in corporate and for these brands so that's why I don't bash it necessarily but there's these young hairstylists in the 20 to 30 young 30s age range that they don't want to do it they want to sell you a course on it they

[00:23:36] want to be an influencer on it and they want to they don't even want to work for brands they want to be an influencer that sells to the brand they want you don't want to even touch the hair they don't even want to be the expert so here I was like a dumbass going out and learning how to be the absolute best I could be but for me to hire somebody a young person would come in and tell me how to do it

[00:24:04] that's the part that's bothering me I don't feel comfortable yet hiring somebody to come in who is going to get online and tell people yeah how they do things when I can see it in real time it's not polished and it's not perfect because that's what the customer and the consumer deserves in my opinion in real time not insta famous not insta famous it's not about that exactly and it doesn't

[00:24:30] last that's the thing a lot of these things do not last at all you're a flash in the pan you know and people see right through your bullshit the next thing you know everyone's calling you out and then you're done you know so yeah it learn how to fucking do some hair if you really want to do that teach people how to do some nice hair you know that's it don't be joined from trying to sell shit to people you know I mean especially like I've heard girls where they're kind of like trying

[00:24:57] to give each other like financial advice and it's like well some of their tax advice is like well just keep claiming how much color that you bought until you don't owe anything and you're like oh oh no way yeah I've heard that I was advice given we just did our taxes guys it's like April right now so trust me you hear people you know who went to h&r blog or what should I mean they were like doing

[00:25:24] their taxes online they're like I just keep adding adding up the money till I don't owe anything and I'm like oh shit you realize that if you get audited they're gonna come and audit everyone else around you at the salon you do realize that I have preached that to all of my friends I'm like they don't come in and just audit the one person who did wrong correct it's it's everyone that happened to one of my

[00:25:53] salons yep so if you have one person fucking up and they're going through and they're claiming shit you know what I mean it's like they're gonna nail everyone so you gotta keep your nose clean and do it right I mean don't get me wrong I believe in paying your taxes but not a penny more than what you owe and then that's it right and that is it yeah so it's like fine know your taxes know your rights know everything if you stay within the boundaries that they want you to stay in and you

[00:26:22] and just even push it to the very limit of you're still right there's nothing they can do I mean my accountant every year he's all Paula you kind of got this figured out I mean yeah it's it and it is a scary line because I've watched my brother go through seven audits and oh boy I got two oh I got two when they all did when it was in LA when after yeah I it and let me tell you they because we were

[00:26:51] doing house calls and they like well we need names and addresses I'm going to celebrities houses and I'm like so in order for me to go through and give you their name and their address I have to ask them am I and then I'm gonna lose that person as a client because I need to tell them that the IRS wants their name and address I said absolutely not so I got in you know but here's the thing though this was after the whole 2008 you know housing crisis that we had in the United States and LA was

[00:27:18] like really really bad they audited 22 of my friends and my accountant was Jose Ebert's accountant he got all they did is although too so all that's the thing we all got hit so when they when I'm saying please go through and make sure that you're not lying to the IRS because and make sure the people around you are following and give them good advice because they're not going to just nail that person they're

[00:27:43] going to go after everyone in your shop they did that here in Seattle to a large organization here there was about I think they have like close to 10 salons they went through and audited the schools which they had two schools and 10 salons all their employees all of them so people have to remember tax laws change every year and you need to research what percentage you can write off at what time

[00:28:07] and with every administration they'll say oh you can buy this car as long as all of the parts in the car are made in a certain country and you can write off a percentage of it and and so you have to pay attention as to what benefits you can get year to year to year yep so keep your fucking nose clean all right Kate so one of the things now that I've noticed is that over the we've been talking is

[00:28:34] that you're really happy now and we're talking about other people who are well I do I call it I call it when you're when you're somewhere where it's like you feel like you just can't leave you have the golden handcuffs on you it's like you're making the money and the money's really good but you're not happy and you're happy and I can tell you know and then you're you're doing your own thing so what advice would you give because you were telling us about though some of the people who were just like

[00:29:04] I'd lose money you know I mean if I went to come and work with you be patient yeah you have to do what you have to do before you get to do what you want to do you know we hear this all the time and you know I earlier on we were talking about when I knew that things were falling apart I had multiple jobs until

[00:29:30] I got to be happy multiple so I think it's funny when I talk to young people who are like I'm just gonna quit I'm just gonna well you know I was like well this job gets gets me health insurance this job gets me back to living by my family this job I'm gonna build the clientele I'm gonna get to do fashion week again

[00:29:53] give your job a job so you know even when I'm talking to assistants you can learn so much from something happening in the salon that it doesn't have to be your forever job but you also don't have to get yourself to the point where you absolutely hate where you are right and you know just give that job a job is this job something that you are saving money because you're living home that's that's pretty

[00:30:23] typical starting off in the industry I lived home when I was shampooing hair and saving money yep um are you do you have a job because you're paying off your car you know like little increments each step of the way where in the salon industry we don't ever have a job where one job gives us uh health insurance

[00:30:47] matching 401k huge salary I mean we're all starting to laugh at this point I sound ridiculous even saying this like I I think there was probably times early on in my life where my friends were like what the hell is she doing with her life but it was because I was slow and steady and I knew my goal so just one

[00:31:11] step at a time the other thing is is you really have to have open ears and I don't think we're good at this in the industry at all I was not good at this as a person and I learned from people early on in the industry we're there's mean girls there's mean girls right okay but that mean girl has something to

[00:31:34] teach you let them abuse you and shut your mouth there were people who absolutely abused me but I learned the best hair I didn't report them to the front desk I didn't call my boss and say oh this one no I didn't do that I just took the lesson and I learned the best updos I learned dry cutting I learned

[00:31:58] makeup make the enemy your friend go home and complain about it don't make it your boss's problem in small business small business is very expensive so that salon owner I can tell you all the ways that commission owners can steal from you it has happened to me it's horrible yeah it's absolutely horrible

[00:32:23] but actively right now I have a successful small business and I'm genuinely afraid to hire people because I don't want somebody coming and bitching at me and it costing me money that's genuinely what it is yeah if you want to learn just understand that in the salon industry we don't have an HR department

[00:32:49] oh I love it we don't there's no like if you you gotta fend for yourself in the trades you have to become very street savvy and just be quiet and then you'll learn all these things and then you get to be the person who has learned all the things does the great hair and then you get to create whatever business

[00:33:14] you want that you get to be happy yeah but what I'm seeing now is these 20 year olds are being told on Instagram that they can be happy right out of beauty school yeah and I know that people want to be politically correct and say that that can happen I don't believe it no I gotta work on Saturday you gotta work on Saturday sometimes you gotta build it up I still work Saturdays I'm still inside the salon

[00:33:39] on Saturdays guys I'm fully and I'm yeah and that's okay that's what we that's what we do in this business there's these young girls I heard this the other day I'm not kidding you this one girl's like I am fully booked on Saturdays for the next couple of months and I'm done I'm I don't want to work on Saturdays anymore I'm like wait wait wait wait you just said that you have the dream you're telling

[00:34:04] me that you have the dream and you're booked every single Saturday which everyone wants but yet you don't want to work on Saturdays anymore I mean you rather work you know Tuesday through Friday when you're not busy you know so you're what you're willing to give that up and yet you're complaining that you can't afford a car and you can't afford your rent and yeah I'm like so I mean stick with the busy days guys and then build all the other ones up before you make that transition you know but what

[00:34:32] would you say about the people who have built that up and they're still pissed off at the owner but they can't leave the salon what do you say to people like that you know like that's what I'm talking about the golden handcuffs where it's like uh my commission's way too high you know and I know I'm gonna lose if I come and work somewhere else but I'd rather be unhappy over here and make my money

[00:34:55] as opposed to being happy and maybe not making as much what would you say so as somebody I am someone that my happiness and my peace comes over money yeah so yeah know who you're talking to um I would rather I enjoy my clients I like talking to them so I chose to slow it down because I wanted more time

[00:35:19] talking to my clients I worked to build a clientele that I like talking to these people yeah I do know that there are sometimes um people who like working that like fast fast fast because previously we were taught to double triple quadruple book yes and I think it's hard for them to face

[00:35:46] what it would feel like to slow down so I think it it's it really it leads back to therapy because it's a confronting feeling people like that 15 minute appointment because they don't have to talk to clients they don't have to have those those conversations they don't have to connect so I think that sometimes it's more about the person and what they have to work on before they make the transition

[00:36:15] I was already in a happy place in an unhappy environment trying to look for my happy place but sometimes people have to look at themselves of I have all these things I'm making all this money I have this big clientele but how do I actually slow down and not feel uncomfortable in my work

[00:36:39] environment I'm not hating and not hate my work with and be like I want to see my family I want to be with my kids I want to live in my house I want to enjoy you know that's the thing it's like slow down I'm gonna um there's a salon owner in my mind that they talk and talk and talk about wanting to be home with their kids and wanting to go on vacation and wanting to do all these things I don't think they

[00:37:05] want it I think it's easier to disconnect so they'll never find the happy place because their happier situation makes more sense but then they would have to go and do it some people just don't want it they just don't want it yeah that's true very true so you also one of the things that we did talk about was you're going out and you're doing like fashion week and things like that you know how do you get

[00:37:33] so there's a lot of people that they want to get into it but they don't know how they think you have to be in LA or New York to do that kind of stuff not necessarily so I mean I have a friend of mine who lives in Fresno California who's constantly getting hired out to do New York fashion week things like that so what advice would you give someone that wants to go through and kind of like go down that road down that route and find their way into these things I think that fashion week

[00:38:00] right now is a new form of education and when I first started doing fashion week and what fashion week is now is two totally different things okay oh you know it used to be you had to know someone you had to earn your spot you had to do all these things it's different now so I think fashion week

[00:38:22] now is there's teams that you can join it's you go and you're sort of the first time you go it's a tryout and then afterwards you're earning your spot on the team then afterwards they're inviting you to a class that then you're making sure that everyone's at like level one then there's another class level two

[00:38:45] level three I was personally surprised having revisited New York fashion week recently that it is that format yeah you know that there when people are telling me you can pay your way I'm like what are you talking about you can pay your way pay your way there are people you can definitely pay your way

[00:39:07] on and that was confusing to me because I've never done that but um you can definitely get on teams where you get invited but you're gonna get hit at the end with paying for a class they want you to get a taste for it and then afterwards you pay for the class wow what a trap so that's well like for me it was

[00:39:32] very different it was actually part of like joining a team you know and you kind of built your way up you know what I mean and it's like sometimes it's like you go to the city on the weekends they go through like like the guys in London they don't live and not everyone can live in London because it's so fucking expensive so they travel in and do stuff on the courses on the weekends alert and then you join the team so sometimes that's what you want so that's what I thought you were going to say it's like hey you find a team that you like you go and you know audition and like so

[00:40:02] oh my god pay for play now too that's where as someone who's been going forever I just recently did Paris Fashion Week you join a team yeah you know all things you know used to be like you would be in town and then you'd get called for all these other things I hadn't done it in a few years so I came back to it so you join a team and there are girls that you're back there and there's the people

[00:40:32] who are very qualified to be there and then there's people that you're looking around and you're like what are you doing here right yeah what are you doing here and you're trying to help them so you're thinking that you're going to do maybe two or three models you're actually going to do maybe like eight models because yeah there's someone who has is a prospect who's coming and they have

[00:40:57] no idea what they're doing so it's your job to help these other girls and then you're going to leave feeling like what just happened to me that's not what you got paid to do you were there to do a couple not like two not eight and then get screamed at by the designer because nothing looks right and it's it's a much more political game than it's ever been because it's it depends on the city we're talking

[00:41:22] new york is it's all sponsorship yeah paris is very upset right now they want us they're they're like please don't ruin this for us and I respect that I really respect that um I paris fashion week this year I was like okay this is you know um I you know they get upset if you're you're filming content

[00:41:47] if you're doing anything I'm like but my clients want to see them yeah you gotta be careful how you do it you know I mean it's like you have to be you know be a bit strategic I know in London fashion as long as you're strategic about it then they were kind of pretty cool about it they were you're fine as long as you're not showing too much so you know wow fuck that pay for play now for fashion week

[00:42:12] that's some bullshit and we wonder why LA never took off hmm imagine that well Kate thank you so much for coming on and being part of should I tell my hairdresser we really appreciate you being here and giving us your insight and uh don't worry I'll mention all the names in the show notes so everyone can go through and uh I'm kidding I won't I won't it's better than not know I'm fucking with you but

[00:42:37] Kate thank you so much for coming on we really appreciate you well I will go through and uh put all your information into the show notes people want to find you on Instagram please go through and give Kate uh follow what was your uh it's at Kate cuts my hair Kate cut my hair on instagram.com all right

[00:42:55] thank you Kate it was a pleasure thank you it's that time for some shitology hey Paula how much you ended up buying with your taxes this year absolutely nothing the fuck you talking about you own your own business you had to owe something I owed something I double dipped a little bit you know bought about

[00:43:21] 200 combs 10 pairs of shears and you know kind of almost a little extra expenses that uh they don't need to know about what you do just start hitting the fucking button at h and r block until you know zero or something what you do yeah something like that oh fuck you know you're gonna get your ass audited right no I'm not they don't care about me I'm small beings they don't pay attention to people like me oh fuck they don't trust me on that and with that stay shitty and see you next time

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