Do No Harm Bill: The Truth Beauty Schools Don’t Want You to Hear

[00:00:00] this week's podcast is about something very serious honestly nothing too funny we want to make people aware of what's going on in our industry and in our schools so please let us know what you think would appreciate it

[00:00:14] let's cut through the fucking rhetoric real hairdressers telling real stories about their experiences from behind the salon chair and we are now saying the quiet parts out loud this is shit I told my hairdresser

[00:00:38] everyone and welcome back to another episode of Sh!t I told my Hairdresser guess who's back Paula's back how are you I'm doing great how are you Jason good good we have you on a on a late one tonight really sorry I know you've been really busy on a shoot for a national television show but I'm I'm I'm excited about this topic I'm excited about what day is important yeah there's a fire under our butts right now yeah their industry

[00:01:16] yeah we're going to we're doing a late night one so we're doing this just for you guys because it's really important but right now if you guys don't mind go through and follow us on instagram and on tick tock find us on there find us on apple podcast give us a follow give us a like give us a rating on their spotify wherever you go through and pick up this podcast and yes let everyone know about us because we definitely want to go through and hurt their little ears with our horrible voices and but I think tonight

[00:01:43] we want to go through and hurt some different type of feelings because I know you guys have heard about this this has been burning a fire all over instagram because it's pissing off a lot of people and it's something that's going to go through I think really change our industry and that is the new no do no harm bill so I know you guys have heard about this this is the bill where the beauty schools are saying they're being attacked

[00:02:11] because uh there's there's there's a lack of transparency on their side and we brought Dana in on this because I actually heard her on tick tock I heard her on instagram she's going after the institution and as soon as I saw that she was going after one of the major players she didn't go after them I know let me let me rephrase that what she did is she wanted to have a conversation with these people

[00:02:36] and they were not having it and when I saw that I had to reach out and Dana thanks for being on the show really appreciate it and I got a lot of information to go through and pass on to a lot of hairdressers so yeah thanks for having me oh I'm thanks for doing this late night you're in Chicago and I know it's like late for you so thanks for being on so so darn late anyhow um tell us a little bit about yourself and then why are you so passionate about this new bill is coming up

[00:03:04] yeah so my name is Dana I'm here in Chicago own and currently operate an independent salon suite in the process of opening my first salon and I have been involved in the process and going through the process of building out and what does it look like to hire building my structure out do I want to be commissioned do I want to be 1099 I've been working on all of that for quite some time and this bill means and has

[00:03:34] fired kind of um put a fire under my butt a little bit because I'm I'm seeing what the students are going through I'm seeing it every day on tiktok I'm on social media all the time because right now my biggest opportunity is recruiting um and kind of looking at the recruits that are out there and keeping my eye on sort of what's going on in my neighborhood and in my community I ended up getting very fired up about this it kind of if I backtrack a little bit it started with an apprentice bill that is being passed

[00:04:04] in Illinois making apprenticeships legal here and when this bill came out it became very clear why they were bringing back apprenticeships just put it that way and another opportunity to kind of get a license without necessarily going into anywhere between 15 and 40 thousand dollars worth yes and that is the main thing isn't it it's like yes and there have been two bills that I've been fighting I've been fighting to work with senators on the apprentice bill and then locally and then I

[00:04:34] in a state level and then also really this particular bill kind of sent me down a rabbit hole yeah yeah well let's get down the rabbit hole man because I think it's really important I mean just to kind of the the crux of it really with this bill is they're basically saying to the beauty schools we're the federal government is not going to fund your schools anymore if the people that are coming out can't are making less

[00:05:04] less than what a high school graduate when they graduate from high school but here's the thing when you graduate from high school you don't have a forty thousand dollar loan you have to pay back do you correct that's the other thing and you know I it had come to my attention how few students were capable of paying these loans off in due time number one because you know you have to kind of start paying it off right away and it could take you a good salon it could take two years to go through an apprentice program even

[00:05:34] after school right and for some people who might not be familiar with social media who are struggling with marketing it could take five to seven years to build a solid loyal clientele that isn't constant turnover before you finally get the hang of it right and by then if you are incapable of paying those loans off you're already in default by that point

[00:05:56] and it's it's hard to dig yourself out of that hole once you're in it it really is yeah it really is why so many kids leave the industry so early on they just kind of get fed up you I was going over some statistics about that and that was one of the things the federal government was mentioning as well though too was that so many people are going through and dropping out within the first year I want to say it's anywhere from about 60 percent are dropping out by the time they get to year five 95 percent of those people are no longer

[00:06:27] hairdressers it's absolutely crazy I remember we were talking earlier and we were saying that I think it was like 40 percent of the students actually go through and don't take or don't get their license even after school and we looked it up it was much higher it was closer to 80 now that are not even getting their licenses and as soon as they go through and they're saying that hey I'm not going to go through and be in this industry the federal government goes uh you want to give us the money back then if you're not going to go through and use it for you know the actual

[00:06:56] thing we lent you the money for that career then we want the money back and what they're saying is like why should the taxpayers me and you who are going through and putting up this money through our taxes why should we have to come out with this money yeah and the schools still get paid exactly yeah the schools not only get paid also they're they're expanding at an exponential rate they haven't stopped expanding right and it's a combination of I mean I know I know I know that on average they've raised tuition in the last 25

[00:07:26] years roughly 300 so it's outpacing standard inflation by you know 12 to 13 times which doesn't make any sense because the education hasn't changed and while you've got sort of beauty schools saying and begging for us to save them I'm I'm kind of sitting back and saying to myself I don't know that you deserve to be saved at this point because I don't know that this is the way to go

[00:07:53] um and while my heart breaks for the Pell Grant students that earned it that wanted it that stayed in it that stuck it out that I don't know that like I'm gonna be upset about people not getting these loans anymore I mean I really hate to say that I mean the government I don't know if I can get said either and this isn't a we want you to shut your down you're not important argument it's a we need to hold you accountable for what you promised you would deliver on the jobs market and you haven't

[00:08:23] that's essentially what what has happened here and it's why these loans have been shifted from the Department of Education into the Department of the Treasury and they've gotten the Department of Labor involved at this point so that's kind of what's how this is transpiring it's scary shit it just I mean seriously to hear the whining come from these people and these are big industry people who've been around a very long time you have hundreds of schools

[00:08:52] and let me tell you you sent me the video that was sent to you and I actually went through and saw another one as well as two and I was the rhetoric was so thick

[00:09:02] you guys we need our critical thinking hairdressers to really go through and cut through this rhetoric bullshit this swamp that's out there because the first thing they said it was like 92% I want you to remember that number 92% of the schools are going to be failing this pill this bill doesn't go through or goes against the beauty schools and I'm like you want to what good they're holding you accountable

[00:09:27] they want you to be transparent and they don't want to be because as soon as you listen to the video they were going through and hitting a completely different direction than what the federal government is asking them the federal government is just asking them to be transparent please let us know I'd be curious to know if that number is really 92% are at risk right like there are some really great schools that are privately owned that are going to come out of this completely unscathed because they put together some excellent programs

[00:09:56] exactly well it's the same thing in college you can go to shitty college too you know what I mean as much as you can go to a shitty trade school and then there are some great colleges and some great trade schools out there and it's always why when people are asking me or they come to me for like a shadow day before they go to school it's like look I'm trying to figure out if this is the industry for me visit three or four salons visit three to four schools and in the end go to your publicly owned local community college right

[00:10:23] yeah I agree they're not privately owned they will never lose their funding exactly but I mean I was watching the video though and literally I don't know I want to know where they're getting these fucking numbers from you know I the government is asking them for an audit you know I mean to like let's go through and see exactly why these people are making literally their first year thirty thousand dollars they're charging anywhere from thirty to forty thousand dollars to go to school

[00:10:52] but these kids are getting coming out and only making thirty thousand dollars a year and they want to know why and of course what really upset me about that conversation was that the finger was pointed at us well you're only making thirty or forty thousand because you're not claiming your tips

[00:11:09] hard to not claim your money these days when only 25 percent of the united states population is actually paying for things in cash on a regular basis I mean even even nowadays if you accept tips from venmo and you accept over I think it's like forty dollars a month venmo is going to automatically report you no matter what they do absolutely they absolutely do twenty thousand

[00:11:32] yeah yeah per year you know I mean it's like so you can't be hiding this money through venmo anymore through zelle you're going to be reported you know and then and who carries cash no one's carrying cash and not only that I'd like to know where you're getting this information from but here's the thing what they also just did is they went told in the government agency that a lot of people across the entire nation bunch of hairdressers are not reporting their income you know who also is part of the federal government oh I don't know

[00:12:01] some little agency called the fucking IRS you know I mean thanks for putting this massive spotlight on our industry you piece of shit well done where do I put the fucking golf clap for that one motherfucker I was like oh my god I've been audited before twice back in tooth oh 2010 let me tell you it hurts you know and they don't use lube so I they they go through with the probe you know so that's the thing I was like where I want to know where you're getting these numbers from you know and they can't

[00:12:31] tell you yeah what they do is they throw these numbers out and then they go through and they cut you with another you know redirect you know and what was a redirect they put they said oh 80% of the industry are women women yeah and they're referring to cosmetology so they left barbers completely out of the conversation they talked about it being like a 128 trillion dollar a year industry that's going to be suffering losses like that's health and wellness not just beauty

[00:12:59] okay so now you're not even including the product industry right they don't give a shit about see here's the thing right now they're trying to make it a moral issue yeah this rhetoric is trying to make it a moral issue when it's actually not it's more of like numbers and cents is what it's like you know what they're trying with their federal government trying to get to no one gives a shit about guys right now when it comes to like this after the me too movement it's let's go through do you really want to go through and take this away from women well you're

[00:13:26] moribli bankrupt they went after that big time this one person went after it big time and it i it infuriated me at woman when he said you know women are not being able to get jobs and pay for daycare and this is an industry that ai might or might not take over i mean he's hitting on all these emotional societal points without actually just drawing everybody in emotionally and like i it drove me

[00:13:54] crazy and it was to me it was chauvinistic yeah correct so they're using females as a as a scapegoat you know and what they're trying to do is they're trying to make you make a decision emotionally and making it making it seem like you're immoral if you don't agree with them see you're an immoral person you know and so they're going after the emotion part of it and they're going after the morality of it

[00:14:18] when it's actually just about the numbers and just being actually honest and doing the work you're saying you're supposed to be doing you know and that's the thing in the federal government is like uh so let me see here let's let's talk about the people that you are talking what they're doing is they're going through and they're marketing to the five percent who actually did make it their mark they're using that as their marketing tool and you have to ask what like the morality of that

[00:14:43] right like you so many like not only are you marketing to the five percent you know that's successful and you're sharing their success stories right but then you go ahead and you tell them by the way you can be even more successful if you move into a suite and keep all your money you don't keep all your money in a suite and in fact private equity hasn't invested as much there as they have in the beauty school expansion okay and in my own area if you run the numbers

[00:15:10] they are charging more than 20 times a square foot than a traditional storefront for a suite three thousand dollars a month for my suite and it was 140 square feet my mortgage on my building is 3400 and i got 4000 square feet and a lot of it is for the convenience of it right so like you now don't have to deal with your city you don't have to apply for your licensing with the city you don't have to do a build out we'll give you the sink we'll give you the bowl meanwhile the government

[00:15:38] wants you to go solo because if you're paying your employer and your employee tax right you're going to be paying twice as much end of story and they know that everybody else is going to be making their money and these kids are going to be applying for bankruptcy i don't know in your area in chicago a lot of these suites are over 50 60 percent empty but if they're making 20 times per square foot per unit they might only need to fill five units to stay profitable or three units to break even

[00:16:08] wow right so they're not necessarily panicking over that right well yeah and in the meantime i lose frustration because i'm watching people you know sort of go bankrupt and want to stay in the industry and commission salons know that's the place to go hunting to bring people back for employees because it's like look we understand it was hard we did it come back to community and the teams like we will

[00:16:33] help you yeah they demonize they spent a ton of years demonizing commission salons i mean just demonizing the shit out of commission salons they're taking half your money if you knew what it cost to you'll know when you go solo and that's why it is that going into a suite and being like hey we know that where your overhead is we know that you're probably running at less than 50 commission being solo right now you could probably do better without the overhead right i will carry for the overhead but

[00:17:01] you can bring your clientele and not lose a dime if you come back right but so many people in suites are making 50 percent and less i mean you have to run it to a t to walk away with 50 to 51 commission on your salon after rent after back bar after build out after paint after advertising by the way you're not you're gonna go with gloss genius or you're gonna end up with vagaro you're certainly not gonna use

[00:17:25] salon labs booking system because it doesn't always work um so like i i they've left the salons in the lurch that was another thing right there that the federal government is asking them is what are you teaching these people is their financial literacy being taught within the schools and of course they didn't touch any of that on their videos and on their talks did they the federal government's like whoa

[00:17:53] hang on a second how come we don't have any financial literacy going on with the with the with people what what are they learning and i go into the schools you're learning how to run a business yeah i mean i go into the schools as a guest speaker and and the students will come up to me after class and be like thank you so much nobody told us that i don't go in to teach my highlight i don't go in to teach them you know how to do a bob or a technique for texture i teach a class that's very specific

[00:18:20] to tell them the difference between 1099 and w2 employment because that is the decision you have to make when you graduate so i don't care whether or not you come on board with me you need to know this information yeah it's it's simple one of the top trending things that herders are saying of why they leave the business is lack of business skills marketing finance low income and long hours and the

[00:18:44] top thing they leave burnout burnout oh isn't that a funny little topic we just kind of covered you know that's the thing is that the federal government is just kind of like are you teaching these things to them you know any type of financial responsibility at all because they want their money back if you're not teaching people how to be you know fiscally responsible they're not the federal government knows we're not going to give our money back and these people are going to go

[00:19:10] and default on their loans and file for bankruptcy you know so and they're not the irs the irs is the only one you have to pay back even after bankruptcy with them they don't they can get that yeah expunged what you're saying is we need to teach them they need to teach them okay it's you've got to learn finances first and foremost i mean download your checkbook every day look at what's going in look at what's coming out do a profit and loss sheet i mean that is real um education right there not just

[00:19:39] the hair part and also teach them on how to handle difficult clients we're also getting in the psychology of things just like we were talking about on the phone the other day i mean we are having to deal with doing geometry on an or and then for the those of us that do color we're also doing color theory and we're dealing with um biology and then we're also dealing with psychology because these people just don't and i don't think they teach any of this in schools it's just everybody

[00:20:07] shows up with a smile and a latte and everything's gonna be great and that's been my experience at the school and you know i'll say this opening up my business you know and trying to go through this process it's not even understanding the psychology of your guests and learning how to read between the lions but like you have to do it on yourself and you have to be mature enough to audit yourself because i'm seeing whether it's a generational thing whether or not it's you know a salon thing because

[00:20:35] we deal with people all the time i'm not sure but the the societal sort of division i'm noticing it's starting to creep into the salons a little bit and it's like if you don't think like me or talk like me or believe in what i believe don't sit in my chair whoa whoa like let's back up a little bit right like i've seen a post in my local neighborhood and she basically said if you are this this or this

[00:21:03] person i disrespectfully am telling you in my instagram post to stay the fuck out of my chair and i was mind blown okay like mind blown yeah and i personally feel like whatever happened to like talking to people and asking questions and getting to know them on a personal level you don't have to talk about these things you don't have to make it a part of your business you can keep it about the

[00:21:29] kardashians and their kids or when are you going on vacation and keep it seasonal light talk if you want to but there does have to be something has to push you to grow and growth is uncomfortable right but i will never understand the idea of negating 50 of your own community out the gate i i've never understood that and i've had so many clients sit in my chair who over the years i may not have agreed with

[00:21:56] but god thank you for teaching me something about you because then then it can because if you're if everybody and you're sitting in your chair is going to agree with you then it's nothing but a narcissistic reflection do you know what i mean like yeah basically what it is it's you looking in the mirror and having it reflected back at you and being like that's so pretty but like it's all it is

[00:22:21] um and i do think that like this push for the sweets like you know i've talked about this with my my husband but i've said to him like i'm watching this generation a little bit kind of mistake solitude for independence and they're not the same thing independence requires sacrifice and it requires financial understanding it requires hard decisions it requires taking on a roommate or a second job as a

[00:22:47] barista or in a restaurant for a year while you're building your clientele like solid solitude isn't shouldn't be the goal do you know what i mean being alone and not having that like it's fiscally very different and then sometimes it can be really financially devastating that's just kind of right for that and also some of these other companies like super cuts and great clips and they're pushing

[00:23:12] them into that because that way with the suite they can go oh see they are their own salon business they've made it so that way they can show the federal government they've done it you know i mean or get them into these other schools that's why they're partnering up with some of these other places because they can show like oh see they're making at least like 20 bucks an hour you know plus tip so that way they can show the smoke screen and not show transparency to the federal

[00:23:36] government and that's why they're begging for our help to go through and emotionally tell you know because they're telling you know all the hairdressers right now go and tell your story for the federal government because it's the law because of the program has to open that platform up for you to say something and i say that we should be telling them the truth because so many hairdressers have getting onto this podcast and all over instagram and all over tiktok and telling they've been

[00:24:03] bitching on how bad the industry standards have gotten straight from these schools and when the federal government comes to go through and shut you down that's on you we have nothing to do with it and i read one of the dms that they i'm sorry i'm an interview i read one of the dms that they sent you because one of them was like they were trying to blame you that said i bet you were one of those people that that what was it um i bet you were one of those people that are pitching who's you

[00:24:30] got a loan yeah it's he's like he's like it blows my mind that the people who are complaining about the very loans that they took to benefit the way they did are now complaining about it do you have any idea how many years it took me to pay off that loan number one okay number two i was grateful and i was lucky enough and i was privileged enough and i can own that to have grandparents that recognized my passion that allowed me to do this with what i had left in a college fund okay to help me pay that off

[00:24:59] because i didn't i they did not want me doing this but they knew how much i was enjoying it and how much i loved it um and i have i'm sitting on i'm sitting on two college degrees i'm not sitting on okay so like yeah i've been through the ringer on this i've had to pay off a lot of these loans um so that audacity of him to try to call you out on something he has no idea about which is some

[00:25:23] bullshit and i think that's really unfair yeah yeah very unfair you're right you know the rate that they've raised the tuition is 12 times what it was and that's the numbers that you threw out there i can't now this person that that you talked to i'm wondering does does this person even do hair anymore is is this person no with the experience i've known this guy for years he hasn't i don't

[00:25:49] think he's touched a head of hair he's lost all his hair to tell you truth but i mean i don't think he's touched a head of hair like ever you know he's more of a marketing guy more than anything else more of an ideas kind of a guy you know we all know who he is you know i mean we have always call them cry baby but uh hey i think that's right and and that's the thing he's an ideas guy

[00:26:13] and the idea guy came up with this idea that the education was the product and the student was humor but like all brands is we're learning with brands that have gone and left the salons and gone direct to the consumer this has been a real big issue like all brands they forgot that like the consumer was the salon and this the product was the student and unfortunately with what i'm seeing

[00:26:39] in a lot of these cases especially as i'm like scrolling through tiktok i get that you guys are angry i get that the students are pissed off but the more that you go to social media as well as a salon owner the more i'm scared to hire you but keep that in mind what oh yeah more scared to hire you and like you i understand you want to hold the schools accountable too but like shit on the internet is forever and i know that what i said is going to follow me right which i told you when

[00:27:08] we started like i'd like to be invited back to speak at these schools but like i they have to keep that in mind they have to keep that in mind because if that's what you're doing to the school this early in your career i'm telling you that salon owners are going to think you're going to do it to them yes that is true but your voice does need to be heard you see you go through and do it the right way and and literally push that energy in the right direction you know and hold the people accountable

[00:27:36] because that's one of the things that these schools they don't want to talk about they want to make sure that you understand that all the accountability is on the hairdresser to pay those loan bags where's the accountability for the school for not teaching you what you need to fucking know shouldn't they be maybe responsible for part of that loan because you didn't get the education that was promised to you they're banking on you thinking that it's all on you and that's it you know so i

[00:28:02] think maybe some of the change that needs to happen is something where the financial responsibility needs to be on the people who are teaching you as well and i think it's where the federal government is trying to push it yeah yeah i mentored a girl this weekend she's so sweet she's been to see me now three or four times she drives an hour to get to me she'll spend a day shadowing me she brought her mother in with her yesterday and said can you teach me how to cut my mom's hair so i like broke

[00:28:27] things down for her right yeah i love that first and she said to me she's like you know i have this teacher at school he's so nice i absolutely love him but i don't know what to do now because everything he's been showing me is wrong and especially when it came down to the geometry of cutting hair right like everything he's been showing me is wrong and i'm like sweet pea like i know that this

[00:28:50] hurts and i know that like it's gut-wrenching but like it we've all been there i know that my education was not the greatest but it takes finding a great salon that is going to bring in continuing education and know that like for the first five years you're you're fafo man fuck around and find out like yeah beauty is the time to do it do it on their dollar do it on their dime you get 800

[00:29:17] zero star reviews because you wanted to mix some shit together and see what happens and said i thought this was going to be brown but it turned out mauve right like yeah your reputation to do it so that when you get to the salon you can say i've i've fucked up a little bit and i know now where i need to go um do it as much as possible on the school because that that reputation will not follow you it'll follow the school exactly that is so true you know i mean i love i love that but that's that's the

[00:29:45] thing that's what they're not teaching you in the schools you know what i mean they're just these kids can't formulate without someone standing right next to them yes they can't you've got to let them make mistakes it's not about knowing what to do in a salon especially with color it's about knowing what not to do and i don't know if they these kids learn that and if they if they do something wrong i mean are their egos fragile are they going to be kind of freaked out like i messed

[00:30:10] up you're going to mess up for the first five years bad in your career mad yeah and then you keep on messing i'm in at 34 years now and there's some days i look at myself in the mirror i'm all god what were you thinking paula um but it says it's a whole thing of teaching these kids giving them the the emotional um support to say it's okay to mess up you learn from your mistake let's move on

[00:30:35] so yeah exactly and not like that though if you've been doing someone's hair for a while and you want not every haircut comes out fucking amazing not every you know transformation that's okay they're still going to come back to you because they know you have the knowledge behind you you know i mean and that's the thing is that how do you get to that point no one's teaching these people how to get to that point it's a lot of trial and error a shame that there are some great exceptional ground level

[00:31:04] educators out there okay that none of these schools have gone to okay i would not have gone solo doing doing hair by myself had i not taken one one particular course that was wildly expensive for me at the time to do it and it was a five-day certification to do it but had the schools just talked to her the way that she originally wanted to implement the program okay was to bring it to beauty schools it would have

[00:31:31] changed everything everything about the way people do hair and she with one class gave me the confidence to do it but i had to wait 15 years to save the 1200 take class right to get to that level where i could afford to take that course and um head shape matters with kim more okay cool which was an advanced cutting theory class that i mean i had flash cards and i was going through the theory and

[00:31:58] i was looking at the geometry and i'm like the math doesn't lie math maps right like and because i understand the math now i went from being a semi okay hair cutter to now i've got people driving down from michigan to be like i hear you're the girl that fixes haircuts yeah yeah i do i do that is that is sort of where my my thing is and there are other classes out there i mean colors with chemistry is another great course that like i just personally feel like the school should be talking to she's

[00:32:28] non-branded she doesn't work with any particular color line but she talks about color theory from a science and from a why and from the chemistry and what is an alkaline and what is an acid base and how do these colors function that's not the point that's not the point the point is is how do we get the most money with the least cost yeah you know in our schools that's the point you know i mean they don't want to pay someone else you know because then all of a sudden it's like oh we got to bring

[00:32:55] this person and that person because people are expecting this from us and now we actually have to pay for this so if the standard the bars are already very very low and you're raking all this kind of money that's where they want to keep it at because that way they're keeping it cost effective for themselves you know so one of the numbers i want to get back to is that 92 percent number 92 percent of all the schools will be closing down across the united states transforming the beauty

[00:33:22] industry for everybody it's all what was a 106 billion dollar industry and you should be part of it i love that comment as well though too that 106 billion dollar industry that we're all part of uh you want to what that's like saying that all of the employees at mcdonald's are profit sharing with mcdonald's and you know that's not the fucking case but that's what they're trying to make it sound like you know so

[00:33:47] if these schools do close down what happens to the industry quality goes up where you you will have hairdressers that will be paying for their own education and the ones that really want it not the ones because i've taught at so many schools not the not the students just saying well i thought i would just kind of try it out and it's paid for oh well my parents wanted me to do something while i'm waiting

[00:34:11] for um to get married and so we found this this money that the government gave us they're like okay i felt like a lot of these young girls their parents put them into cosmetology school as a storage unit to give them something to do until they got married and had babies which is huge here in utah so yes they were using um government money for all of that and you will have a quality of people that

[00:34:36] really want it and pay for it like i said i i had a heloc i paid for my own and i paid it all off on my own yeah but i wanted it so badly i did an apprenticeship for nails first and i paid 500 cash out of my own pocket and then i brought makeup into it working with bedhead and then after a while after five years of doing that um i paid for my own apprenticeship and then yeah and i was just passionate i had a i had a lust

[00:35:03] for just creating beauty and i thrived and a lot of these people these young students i mean i i give them credit for having a dream yet you got it it's not just a dream it's it's a career it's a lifestyle above and beyond anything else and i don't think these students understand that and the schools will take advantage of it you know selling that dream and so i do believe that if they don't get that funding

[00:35:30] the quality of hairdressers will go up and if we have less held hairdressers with more talent more skill set and taking it seriously guess what that means that means that our income goes up we get more yes yeah i just want to retire tonight i had no i i completely agree with you because one of the partners of the salon we were talking about this the other day and she's like these are they're putting

[00:35:54] out thousands of kids she's and the quality that we have to choose from is garbage she's like and then people are not getting hired because there's only a very small amount of salons especially in seattle and there's a lot of salons in seattle area but not that many to go through and take all of them on that's for sure you mean but she was like uh-uh i'd rather have one that's really good instead of 10 that are kind of like uh can barely even hold a fucking comb and the reality is is that

[00:36:21] if you want to have the one though that's really really good right then you have to be the salon that matches that energy as well and i also challenge the salon owners at this point like this this has to be a community initiative it can't just be on the schools it's not the students fault and it's not like just salon like we all have to come together to up our game a little bit right like yeah your salon that looks like fell out of 1984 doesn't have a website and you're still writing

[00:36:49] down your appointments with pen and paper the chances that you're going to be able to rent a chair to a 19 year old that does everything online is pretty slim to nil right it is pretty slim to nil 94 percent of internet users okay of that like are using google or have like a google account if you don't have a google page to put your salon on with reviews and with the trust of clients that have left

[00:37:17] you reviews yeah what are we doing like i think that's also the other thing we kind of that's the missing piece and um yeah if you if you're one of those salons that is putting in you know 50 percent of the effort but you want a stylist that's putting in 100 percent energy for forget that match being a match up it is really really you need to be an a player salon if you're going to attract a level talent exactly and i think that like what you're saying what paul is saying i think that definitely

[00:37:46] is the future you know i mean so if this bill kind of goes through and shuts them all down well so be it this is the shakeup i think this industry kind of needs and i'm glad people are starting to pay attention to what's going on and i'm finally glad that it's starting to shake up some of these people who have just been going through and profiting off of the people who we love in this industry hairdressers are my people you know we don't want to see them fail but there's some of them that have to because they got into it just because it was something to do this is not something that we just

[00:38:16] do i don't wake up early in the morning every single day just to go do something to have something to do i do it because i absolutely let my mom does but i have my mom my 81 year old mom on the show who did it for 47 years you know i'm her son who does hair as well though too it's something that has been a passion in my life and i love this industry and the people that are into it but there needs to be a shakeup because everyone has been complaining about it and it's about time the federal

[00:38:42] now it takes it takes someone like the federal government to scare the piss off these little panty waists you know and thank god that it's actually fucking happening and funny enough it's a bunch of dudes isn't it it's a bunch of fucking dudes yeah everybody that's in control of this industry are men and it's what you said 80 are women doing hair but it's men that get to say so exactly so there needs to be a fucking shakeup so i guess what i know i want to go through and say is

[00:39:11] like guys i'll go through and i will put the website where you can actually make your comments on the show notes you have until may 20th to do so please go through and tell the federal government what you fucking think is i've already read on some of their comments people are kind of like oh now you care now the special interest care imagine that well fucking tell the federal government exactly what you think as well though too and how there needs to be a shakeup because to tell you the truth if if we

[00:39:37] don't we're the ones that are going to be actually losing i think with a shakeup like this we're the ones that will be winning and then that way we actually go through and make this industry what we think it should be a professional hair industry dana thank you so much for lighting a fire in our butt and making us stay up late tonight when jason i mean that was this is a riot i can't wait to see what

[00:40:04] happens with it well guys go through and give dana a follow i'm going to go through and put her uh information into the show notes dana what what's your handle on tiktok my handle on tiktok is dnw lux hair l-u-x-e-h-a-i-r and then my initials d-n-w and then on instagram it's dmw lux hair salon perfect so i will have that in the show notes i will go through and i will be tagging you on all of these reels make sure to go through and give dana a follow and dana thank you so much

[00:40:34] for going through and giving your david to the goliath we really appreciate it and going through and throwing the stones keep throwing stones i will thank you let's cut through some real real shit with shitology hey schools it's about fucking time we're gonna come to you we're gonna let you

[00:41:00] know exactly how we feel about what you've been doing for how long you guys been doing it for to make sure that our industry thrives and if you're not going to be part of it so fucking be it yes we're holding you accountable now please listen and enjoy and right now as we're calling for all critical thinkers in this industry you hairdressers get out there get on regulation.gov i will go through and put this in the show notes let the federal government know exactly how you feel without

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