Bleach at TJ Maxx AND Beauty School Scams? The Industry Is Eating Itself

[00:00:01] Hey Jason, where'd you get that well of bleach? Uh, TJ Maxx Um, that's supposed to be a professional only product What else did you get there? Dude, I get over the fuck I want over at TJ Maxx, man Look, I got this hand grenade Uh, I got some passports I'm going to Mexico next week Look, I'm Shelly Awesome, that's also where I got my defibrillator See? TJ Maxx, get over the fuck you want I'm getting sea turtles next week Yes

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[00:02:24] And we're really glad to have you on the show And I know, really glad to have you on the show And I know, we're going to go through And do another recording later on I mean, but I'm really happy that you're on here But one of the things that kind of blew up this weekend guys Was about the diversion And it's one of those topics That it seems like you guys can't get enough of But not only that though It's just kind of like We haven't even like scratched the surface On a lot of this shit So hopefully we're going to go through And get your brain kind of going a little bit more In this conversation today

[00:02:53] But we have been going through And we've been fucking used As an industry By some of these large companies And you want to let If they were I think giving back 10% Of what we give them I'd probably be okay with it You know, but it seems like We're not even getting 10% back We're just kind of being used And I think one of the biggest things that Well, what got me kind of on fire

[00:03:21] After this To actually go through Put this episode together Was on Sunday You guys At least five of you guys Sent me a video About someone finding bleach At one of the TJ Maxx's Blondor Everyone was pissed About this And even Elise You sent me a message And I'm like We got to get this going on So Elise Thanks for being on the show Really appreciate it How are you? Good, good How are you? Thanks for having me Elise, I'm really excited For this conversation

[00:03:52] I want to dig into your brain And get all of your knowledge And wisdom Well, I was shocked When I saw that video too I was like What? I saw two different people Post about it And I was like That's crazy Like what is going on? Like why Why would they meet Leitner At TJ Maxx? Okay, so was that video real or fake? I don't know That's what I want I mean, like I don't know Like I don't talk to the one person But I talk to the other person

[00:04:22] So Jeremy Jared does hair Was the first person That saw it Right And I was like Oh, that's crazy And then Lita We were mutuals But we're just Recent mutuals I didn't know she was following me So I followed her back But like I saw that She had posted it And I was like Oh, well maybe it's the old stock Right? Because I noticed that they had changed The formula I was talking with another girl

[00:04:49] And she had said Yes, they changed the formula And that they had sold out of the old stock At the store Like a two for one And I said Oh, okay Well that makes sense You know To get rid of the old stock To bring in the new stock She says they didn't put it in a truck And like ship it off Or anything They sold it on a discount At the store And I'm like Okay And I noticed that it was the new The new metal

[00:05:13] It's like the blonde door Had a new metal situation They added two new Additives to The blonde door For like more of a metal Chelating situation And so different Where most lightners Have EDTA in them To fight like against metals On the hair You know So you don't have like hot smoking foils Or anything like that They added two other ingredients Into their new blonde door Plex Nine

[00:05:43] Metal additive metal Additive situation So they have that now in there So this was a new model Why would Wella Divert A whole truckload On top of it Jeremy's in LA And Lita's in North Carolina I think Yeah, I think so, yeah Drastic ends of the continent So I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I saw the price tag

[00:06:13] I mean I went through I checked with TJ Maxx here You know what I mean In my era I'm up in Seattle And I could not find it online But the shit that I did find Oh my god I mean you Whatever brand you're looking for It's on there It doesn't matter Yeah Right I mean Same with the Nordstrom Rack Did you go to I start seeing bed-headed Nordstrom Rack 20 years ago I thought Okay I'm done With this company I'm just done Did you go to your TJ Maxx follow?

[00:06:42] Um I haven't had time But I'll probably I might go tomorrow If I have time Okay I went yesterday Specifically Because I don't shop at TJ Maxx I can't It's like shopping in your closet Um I know It's weird It's too much for me I'm ADD I need the outfit And the sizes Um but I went And it was like The busy theory In the whole store First off I like Couldn't even get I'm like Get out of my way I'm on a mission Whoa

[00:07:05] Yeah And like There was So much Joico Shampoo conditioners I mean that's what I saw It was just a lot of Shampoo conditioner Styling products You know Um Yeah Somebody commented You know Oh mine's full of this And mine's full of that And I'm like Well mine was full of Joico I guess it depends Whatever Particular area gets what Um But like For me You can get bleach anywhere Light or whatever you want to call it Yeah Absolutely You can get it anywhere Right I

[00:07:34] I am the one putting it in your hair And I'm the one with the talents And not the person Yes So Yeah You can get The biggest tub You can get a tub As big as this year's power If you want Um Yep Are you gonna put it in your hair Like I'm gonna put it in No So not the socks off sweetheart I try to put a foil in my bang It's really hard And you can't see Yeah Now can I balayage my own hair Absolutely But I'm a trained professional You know what I'm saying Right Right Like

[00:08:04] Good Good luck I mean like I charge $135 an hour For color corrections Like you're not getting No beautiful blends Out of that bucket of blondes No No No Good luck No No I have clients They send in their husbands Because their husbands Will use their own color at home And the husbands destroy Their bathroom and their shower curtains And then And they send their husbands In and say The husbands will tell me I don't know why They my wife wants me To come to you

[00:08:31] And I bring you this box of color And I bring you This box of color I said So that you don't destroy Your bathroom And he says Well I don't destroy The bathroom I said no It's because she goes in And cleans up after you Do you want a good marriage Let me color your hair I don't care if you're bringing the box I know where to place it Right Exactly And I still carry the bar Let them You wanna what though It's let them Destroy their hair Everyone's like This did not be in the hands Of someone who's not a professional Fuck dude They're gonna get it No matter what nowadays You know what I mean

[00:08:56] You wanna get the greens And get bleach Exactly I say Go ahead Burn the shit out of your hair You're gonna pay more money To come and see us To go through And fix your hair And you're paying more money On product To go through And fix your hair Than you are if you didn't You know So I tell my son It's hot I tell my son It's hot Until he burns himself He's not gonna know That it's fucking hot Right You know So go ahead And burn yourself It is a nice conversation I had with a client Yesterday Just yesterday She wants to be Elsa For Halloween And she wants me To bleach her whole head now

[00:09:25] She's been coloring Her own hair For three Four years Whatever she can get Her hands on And she wants me To bleach out The entire thing I said You know what Your hair's gonna break off It's going to be fried You're not gonna have Much hair left I mean it's down To the middle of her Her back Almost Yeah as it is And I said The best thing to do Is let's go buy a wig And she said But that's going to be uncomfortable I said Do you want the wig To be uncomfortable For a couple of hours Or do you want your scalp To be uncomfortable When you have bleach on it And

[00:09:55] All the discomfort That you're going to be And all the discomfort That you're going to experience From your damaged hair And I said I can do it It'll take me About two hours And I'll spend You're paying me $500 For those two hours And then you're gonna come back In two weeks And we'll do it again For $500 And you're gonna come back In a week And do it again Just to save your hair That's a nice fucking wig That's a nice fucking wig At that price You know what I mean So That's what I call it Yeah nice wig To deal with young comfort Exactly

[00:10:23] But that's the thing It's like You want to wait Did it happen I don't know Guys If you go through If you're listening to this And I'm gonna post it on Instagram It's all the two If you do find it Please send it over to us We definitely want to see it Call the action I did see the tag Yes I did see the tag On the back I did see the little price tag Underneath saying It was from TJ Maxx We definitely want to go through To make sure this is real But here's the thing When you have these large companies What are they trying to do They're trying to go through And fulfill A promise they made to their shareholders

[00:10:54] Right So could it have been like Hey we have a brand new launch And they promised They spent so much money Developing this product And they promised Their shareholders A certain amount back Because they've all spent This money on research Did they go through And do a massive blast To all the professional stores And to the TJ Maxx's I don't know So if you guys do find it Please make sure That you get it out to us So we can actually see it So the launch was in spring of 2026

[00:11:24] So yeah I mean it just launched Yeah it just launched So maybe they weren't making Enough money Ahead of time And they realized that And they did push it out I don't know I really don't know So you guys We're definitely asking you To go through And get this information over to us So we can actually see it Yeah That's for sure I mean I only went to one I have quite a few I have like three in my area So but yeah It was just full of hair product Full Yeah oh Which is another thing Have you guys seen Have you guys seen the influencers On Instagram Oh no

[00:11:52] For TJ Maxx This is good This is good Oh the TJ Maxx influencers I mean I like a Dollar Tree influencer But the TJ Maxx influencer Exactly yeah Yeah give me some Hormail chili right So of course I went to go Do a deep dive And I'm looking around And I get on like You know ChatGPT It's a little game for stuff I started looking on Instagram And looking online For you know Basically trying to find this bleach And I put in

[00:12:22] I think it was a TJ Maxx Haircare product And I went down The fucking rabbit hole There is so many Just TJ Maxx Influencers That are out there That are pushing this product And I don't know If they were Some of them Were hairdressers I do know that Because they were Talking about it Some of them may have like Driven by a beauty school And thought they were like Hey they knew hair Because of that I don't fucking know Or their mom went to beauty school Yeah mom went to beauty school So they Yeah They have hair on their head

[00:12:51] So I am I'm an expert on this I don't fucking know I don't know I'm an expert on this I don't fucking know But seriously It was like so many There have had a I watched at least 25 different people Who were going to TJ Maxx And just showing it

[00:13:03] But what I also noticed Although too Is that It's on the Shop My app And these people Are linking it From their Instagram To the Shop My app And come to find out They're getting A huge commission From TJ Maxx Higher than if you were To go through And get it From the actual manufacturer So where are these guys Are going to go They're going to go to TJ Maxx And they give them like 15% As opposed to you Go to your manufacturer They maybe give you 7% To put on the Shop My app

[00:13:30] So you have these people out there Just selling the shit Out of it On Instagram From straight From TJ Maxx Yeah the thing is Is that These people Putting out this product They don't care About the consumers And that's the side part And as as professionals Anyway at least Over the last 15-20 years My income I've watched it Slowly go down Because part of my income Was retail And now that Income is going down Further and further And further I have to sell it less Than what is I'm like Oh how much does it go for online Oh 35%

[00:14:00] You know Because I'm like 30% You know Because Wait wait wait Wait wait Wait you're doing what I'm selling it For less Because I don't want My clients To be buying it In my chair at Amazon They literally Look it up On Amazon I'm like What the fuck What the fuck You're doing I had that happen To you I'm like I'm telling you I know I know It's right here On the shelf You're using my brain I brought it right here Yeah I even gave Yeah And I even gave One of my clients A discount For shampoo And conditioner I said Please

[00:14:29] She's like I just need More panty And I'm like No please Please You complain about The performance Of your hair You complain about Your scalp Not Yeah Not all product Are for all people But I know What product Is right for her So I gave her $10 off on it I said Please Just try it She bought it So yeah I did the same thing Yeah Or I bundle You have to lower your prices Just get people To buy from you Yeah Because otherwise You can go on Amazon Or have their

[00:14:59] And if you buy companies Are offering Better deals On the companies Are offering Better deals Online For them To buy it Then we can Offer them Yep I'm not going to Mention names But they are And it's bullshit And we're the ones That are educated We're the ones That are educating Our clients And I'm educating People out there To educate their clients And then they're like On their phone And then you're like What the fuck Yeah That's insulting For somebody With 35 years Of experience And the wealth of knowledge That you're in

[00:15:29] You know It's so funny You know It's so funny Because most of my clients Like my platform Is not for clients You know So when they come in here They find me a food builder Or something And they're like I didn't realize That you were so educated Or something Or my normal clients Like my everyday clients They're like Oh how dare you I didn't realize This about you Elise And I'm like Yeah that's fine Let's keep it that way though You know But like I'm so educated You know Like hello And like some of them Like want to argue with me Like are you okay

[00:15:59] Like What do you mean You do not understand Who I am And like And I hate saying that Like do you understand How educated I am Like Yeah I get so mad You know what You just gotta cut your tie sometimes You just be like They ain't gonna listen Go to somebody else Go let them fucking fry your hair I'm gone Well you don't go in And argue with your fucking doctor Or your fucking accountant Do you You don't do that shit You imagine Call the IRS And cuss them out I don't know Yeah I guess Maybe Maybe I mean I guess some of them do You know what I mean But I don't want them Sitting in my fucking chair

[00:16:28] I'll tell you I'll tell you I'll tell you I'll tell you I'll tell you That much right now Right now And this is after 35 years Where you're like Yeah I'm just gonna educate Yeah You're just a hairdresser honey Just Right Exactly I'm not the one sitting In a cubicle Complaining about HR So whatever Yeah true Yeah But that's the thing It's like How do we go through And get these people To stop buying it online How do we're gonna go through And tell these large companies Like hey Fuck off It's an industry

[00:16:58] We need to go through And tell these large companies Knock it the fuck off Yeah Because there's so many People out there I mean Not only did I see The TJ Maxx Friggin influencers Out there Which is kind of like I can't get that Through my head right now I'm spiraling this later By the way Oh I'm telling you Just go down And you're like Holy shit But it was still All of these Like educators From these different companies Still saying Oh it's diversion From like A Like a distributor

[00:17:27] Who couldn't sell it For 10 years So they're selling it Over here No This is brand new shit It's coming right From the manufacturer Coming right Right Do you want to tell The story that you told me That you blew my mind Yes Yeah Okay so It was about Bedhead Yeah And working for them Is this Is this the one about How they were going through Selling it to Costco Yeah That That was a big Fucking thing That's what I remember When coffee Everyone was saying Well why should I go through And buy it from you When I can buy it at Costco And this is a big thing

[00:17:57] This is before We had cell phones You know Where people would actually Go through And take a picture And buy it online Or Amazon was even a thing Amazon was still selling Books at that That was it You know And they were going through And going to the manufacturer Getting the cheapest shampoo They possibly Fucking could Slapping the bedhead label On it And then turning out And shipping it straight To Costco Yeah Because here's the thing If you guys Don't believe me Costco Costco Costco's in my backyard My cousin works At the corporate office They don't have to go through And go to the district

[00:18:27] They go straight To the distributor They go straight To the manufacturer Okay And if you think They don't You know That's what That's their thing They go straight To the manufacturer To get you the best deals So who the fuck Do you think They went to They could put Whatever they want In the bottle Whatever they want As long as you're the one Putting the label on it This is for the beauty supplies And this batch Is for Costco Same bottle Different shit on the inside Like Yep I was like No they eventually Started filling our bottles In our salon

[00:18:57] The professional stuff That we'd get From the professional Stuff that We'd get From the Cosmetology The beauty display houses That turned out Being shit as well Over a while You saw the depreciation Of the quality And the performance Of the bedhead Shampoos And conditioners Especially Did they get bought up Oh yeah They got bought up By Unilever But they had that Before Unilever bought them So that way They can go through And raise their revenue So that way Because what you do Is you raise your revenue To a certain level Right And once you hit That magic number You just

[00:19:27] Triple it And triple it And that's what your sale price Is at these large companies That's when they sell To Procter and Gamble And Unilever And L'Oreal Whoever they want To sell to You know That's Or Estee Lauder That's what happens Yep But you guys Look at the Fucking end caps I remember being At a meeting And I was being told By the owners of bedhead We don't divert We don't do this It's a distributor Over here in Colorado Is doing it And I go really Who's paying For the end caps I don't know If you guys know this But the end caps

[00:19:57] At your grocery store Are not For free Right You have to buy them So if you go in there And you see The product On the end caps Guess what They paid for that That right there Is like At eye level Right And that's where People when you're walking Past all these aisles And not paying attention To the inside You buy You pay for the end cap And then that way People see it So they know your product And he was like He looked at me Like I was crazy I'm all that Who's paying for the Distributor

[00:20:27] You're paying for the end cap And well someone is And it was them Paying for it At Target At Target At Target Oh And Nordstrom Rock Yeah Bedhead was just flooded With With Well Ross Ross and Nordstrom Rock Was flooded With Bedhead At one point I couldn't believe it At that point I was done With the company But they did They lied to me too I mean They pulled a bunch of us Into Dallas Into corporate And the head of sales President of sales Stood there He's all Beautiful

[00:20:57] And I don't believe How much I believe In you guys And I'm loyal To you guys And it really Hurt me That I got a fax And yes There's one fax Machines around I got a fax From Costco And it was a three million dollar Sell that they wanted That had product And I just had to say no Because I'm loyal To you guys Okay next week I go in I'm talking to the owner Of my salon Telling him this story The client in his chair Is a purchaser For a grocery store Local grocery store Here in Salt Lake Called Smith's And he said Yeah

[00:21:27] They're lying to you When I want Bedhead products I call Dallas I call corporate I call the guy That just told you That stuff Yeah And I bought it Directly from them Thanks man Okay Yeah You wonder why He said no To the three million Because he wanted Ten million That's why Right It was a little ball author That's why Yeah But he's got a yacht And a big huge house He wanted a bigger yacht Yeah Oh Yeah Yeah

[00:21:57] You should see Yeah That's the thing I tell people All the time I'm like listen When you go through And you buy From these other places Or you're helping Some of these large companies out You're helping them Buy their third house Of the Bahamas That you're not invited to Yeah Exactly Because I didn't get invited to Right I mean I was promised The moon I mean even my The guy who I worked underneath Directly Under in Bedhead He was pissed He got nine million He got nine million I got a house And a Porsche Don't you

[00:22:26] Don't get me wrong It was nice It was nice But then I got fired Right afterwards Because they didn't Want people Coming after them And making you sign All these NDAs And shit like that Yeah Because we all knew What happened We saw it We saw what happened And we were promised Like all this money We're going to be Taken along with them You know Some of the bigger companies I was even told that By one of the distributors From Kevin Murphy You know They were like Oh they're going to go through And sell And they're going to Take us with us Give us all this money As long as we're going through And carrying their product line And then guess what Now we're going to

[00:22:56] Where are they at Where's Kevin Murphy at Amazon Going direct You know what I mean They don't need Distributors anymore Yeah Actually not Cosmoprof Salon centric Yes Exactly You know what I mean So that's That's the problem With these large companies They have no problems Going through and lying to you That's the problem All the stylists Build these companies Yes And then they sell And then we're like We watched it With so many brands I mean Over so many years And

[00:23:26] It's just heartbreaking Because so many people Just are like With the Kool-Aid You know Myself included And Oh fuck me Me too Yeah And like we've all done it You know We've all like Laid and died For our brand And it's just heartbreaking That you know That they don't think shit They don't You know And they don't care about this guy And the bottom line Is money And they're eventually You know Everybody says every brand

[00:23:56] You know Is designed They're going to sell One day You know And they're going to sell out And da da da da da And even that brand Is going to And like I don't know I guess Only time's going to tell Right I was like Well you know When are you going to get a brand At least I'm like Please no thank you I don't want all that headache You know It's a lot of work A lot of It's a lot of work It's a lot of work It's a lot of work I don't need all that Like I'll just find a brand That I like And support it Until they sell out And then I'll go find another one You know Like That's what I've been doing

[00:24:25] That's exactly what I've been doing For years Yeah We're the It's like the turn and burn now You know I mean That's exactly What it's going to You know But here's the difference Now though I mean One of the I was just talking to A salon rep Who I've known for Oh my god Like 20 something years And he's like Jason He's like There's no more education Anymore That at least Was the trade off Back in the day Was like Hey You support us We will support you With giving you An education class We'll support you With cutting

[00:24:55] Classes Color Whatever it is They don't even do that anymore And if they do Do it From the brand They send some Influencer Yeah They'll send some Influencer over to you Who doesn't know What the fuck they're doing You know That's it You know That's it You know Yeah That's it I mean like And when you start asking them questions They have no idea Exactly how to answer it Right So that's why I like to do Independent education Because it's like You know what I just want to teach you How To like Okay Look at your color line What is your neutral base

[00:25:25] Let's go from there Let's go from there Let's go from there Now that we know What our neutral base Is sitting at We can decide That our color line Is neutral Blue Or gold Right And now we're going to go From there Right Because some color lines Sit blue Some Some sit neutral Some sit warm Did you know That the neutral base In Chainsy Q Is not neutral Oh What Yeah What is it It's a blue It's a blue violet Really Yeah You know what You know what

[00:25:55] Goldwell Is called Goldwell Is called Goldwell Because it pulls gold And they know it And they've always Known that Yeah It pulls gold That's how you are But that's why We call it Goldwell But like not Like when I went to the beauty Went on a mission To the beauty supply To check like all of Like the tones In the color books And only a few of them Actually had What their bases were in there Like how is a color Is supposed to formulate If they don't know Their bases and their colors You know I don't know how I ADD'd Over to this real quick But I did Not here With the least you're

[00:26:25] I'm talking basic color theory Which is logical But like yeah Like right Because I just want To educate people I don't want to Sell them anything You know And I just want People to learn And like you know There's real science Out there And then there's a lot Of bullshit brands Out there That just want to sell you crap I think this is where I'm going And um And I just want to educate people Like this is good This is bad This is good This is bad This is bad This is bullshit This is good Use this Use that Don't use that Like this part of the Is good But I don't like this You know what I'm

[00:26:55] Saying like You need to know What you're using Like you need to know What you're using Why you're using it You know And like All the things And like Oh don't blame The brand Blame Yeah Like what's on the hair Blame like What's coming in What is the fabric Like why Why did the hair React like this Was there Um shit on the hair From like My whole thing Is always start With clean the hair Clean the hair You don't know Where you've been You know You don't know Where that girl man So like Clean that hair

[00:27:25] You know And then You set your client Up for success With you need To get a shower filter You need to use These products You need to do this You need to do that Somebody said once to me And I'll take it She says At least you can sell Shit in a bag I can But all these people Need when I'm selling them Right And yes I never sell them Something that they don't need And I always tell them To like And if you don't do this This is what's gonna happen Right So um You like

[00:27:54] With color It sounds as though You cherry pick Your lines Depending on What you like At the moment And what the client Needs Am I correct In that one Well I mean I use Currently use rusk Because first off I know The white wall All too well And um I love 10 minute color And I love Non-progressive 10 minute color Now all color That's 10 minutes Is gonna be Some sort of progressive But like If you take it off In 10 minutes It's great You know Like I just know My schedule like that And women

[00:28:24] Who get their hair colored Every three Four weeks Don't want to be Here for Two hours In and out Get me out You know And I'd rather Be treating the hair Than than coloring And damaging the hair So they come in They get their treatments The whole night There's a little trim up You know Um and so But I have a I'm a lightener for I have so many lighteners You know Like when it comes to that Kind of stuff Because that's where I really get picky Um you know Color I feel like color But with rusk I feel like I can adjust

[00:28:55] Uh dilutions With uh Dilutions With um Developers And things like that So I can kind of Play around with that Also I like that It's like made here Actually in Illinois Um down south Um So there's a whole bunch of things It's a littler line I don't need all that The Yeah I know Yeah The 10 minute Matches the 30 minutes Because I don't feel that Like if I'm doing a color correction I sure as hell don't want A 10 minute color You know Like that I can't work that quick

[00:29:23] So I like that It's calibrated Um and then They can expand Their glosses A little bit more But And their lighteners All right And I'm not using Any of their like Like product Products You know Then I have Olaplex And all that kind of stuff So I have like The products I love for that You know K.A.T. Yeah I have some Brazilian blowout stuff Um You know So I can assure you that I use Olivo lighteners And then when it comes to vivids I use all kinds of shit So I mean It just depends What I'm doing When it comes to that kind of stuff

[00:29:53] But like Use what you love Using what I use Is not going to make you do hair like me That's here No But I can tell you How to make hair Feel amazing That's the point That's the point We're making today Right Exactly Yeah Yeah Everyone blames the bleach Everyone blames the bleach I always tell people You want to what 9 times 10 It's not the bleach It's the person holding the brush Yeah Think about it You know what I mean If people blame the brush They blame the bloater They blame the sizzle

[00:30:23] The bleach Or the comb Or the bleach Or the color No But then you have These large manufacturers Saying like Well you can do The same thing at home too Fucking try Go for it But even with influencers Right Like if I get these Fancy scissors I'm going to cut hair Like Jacob Conn Sorry I'm not coming at him Right But if I like And if I get This lightener I'm going to do Highlights Like the blonde chronicles And if I get

[00:30:53] You know what I'm saying You know What I'm saying Okay And I get it Yeah No I get it It doesn't matter Jacob Conn Yeah Because he cuts hair Like Jacob Conn And Ron chronicles You could give her A bucket Of B2 Okay And she would still Do beautiful highlights It doesn't matter Okay What she uses Sorry It's the education It's not the It's not the brush It's not It's the person That's holding it Exactly And the person holding the shears Like Jacob Conn

[00:31:21] You could probably Cut beautiful hair With a hat saw You know what I'm saying So like It doesn't matter Like That's the whole Point of influencers You'll have beautiful skin If you use this cream Bitch you already Probably have Beautiful skin You know Like Cause you're all of what 19 20 years old Yeah You're 25 I'm 52 Give me the 52 Like What do you show me 20 year olds For wipes Show me the old bitch Look how Look how amazing She looks And you're kind of like Dude She's like

[00:31:51] 20 20 Literally just like Clean She washed her face She looks like that She just came out Of the womb Exactly It's like This is the best Your skin will ever Fucking look Quit showing me her You know what I mean Show me the old The old person You know what I mean The fucking crow's feet Shit Yeah exactly Show me something My age That these companies Have they turned To the influencers And a lot of these people Don't even have A fucking license You know what I mean That's the problem Right They haven't been Behind the chair long enough To even have any experience

[00:32:21] I saw a guy today Saying Pantene Isn't the enemy And silicones Are great Yeah I see What That's an Experienced hairdresser By the way I am So disappointed Some of them Right And some of them Are not And I'm not really sure What's in Pantene But if I wet your hair down And I can smell it I can guarantee You It's not okay Yep Same with dots And I said What I said I said

[00:32:51] What I said Because Not all silicones Are great And not all of them Are bad And I have a video On this I wonder what His number was I wonder what his number was To go through And get him to say shit Like that Because you know He has a number You know Someone from Procter and Gamble Or whoever it was They went to him And said like Hey We want you to sell Some Pantene And say How great is this And that Here's your number And he did it I don't think it's that I think it's He wants to go viral Oh True

[00:33:20] Oh As he's sitting there Boozily Drinking a glass of red wine Yeah Which Okay I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know See Okay so you got That's That was another Conversation we just had As well though too Is like That's why we want to Go through and see Anybody who was out There buying this Bleach Or anything like that Please prove it We definitely Want to go through And see it Because we don't know What we believe Until we actually do Or even I'll Let me know I'll buy it I'll pay for it

[00:33:50] And I'll pay for the Ship it to me With the actual TJ Maxx Little thing on the bottom So I can actually See it myself And I'll put it On the show And I'll put I'll put it On blast And the show as well too Yeah And send the receipt I want to see If you can return it To your TJ Maxx And get money for it Yeah I want the Fucking receipt too You know what I mean Because that's the thing Now a lot of this Is just clickbait Yeah You know A lot of it is And that's one of the things I always said About the show Is like We don't fucking Lie on here We'll tell you The exact

[00:34:20] Honest truth But if I'm wrong Prove me wrong And I will go through And publicly say That I am wrong So Elise Thank you so much For going through And being on the show We really appreciate you We're definitely Going to have you back on Because The knowledge From Elise Oh my god I can't even tell you You guys I learned so much I'm not even a colorist And yeah I don't even know if I want I'd probably burn some fucking hair So don't let me do it No you wouldn't With all your knowledge On purpose

[00:34:48] Elise Thank you for fighting The fight for us Or with us Not for us With us With us Exactly I really do appreciate it So Guys If you don't follow Elise Follow her Make sure that you get on her Social media Listen to everything That she is dropping And is so important For our industry And Elise Thank you again For being on the show Appreciate you Thank you Thanks for having me And I'll see you guys Have a great day And we are back So about two months ago

[00:35:23] We did an episode That was called Beauty schools Exposed And state With a state Board examiner And a student's email That goes through And tells all That was about A beauty school In California And she was basically The email Goes through And tells a lot About what happened At the beauty school But the biggest thing That really touched A fucking nerve Was about fundraising That was happening At these beauty schools And they were going through And getting The students

[00:35:53] To go through And they were going to Go through And they were going to Go through And they were going to And telling them That they hit like a $3,000 benchmark Or something like that Then they get to go through And do like some They'll fly out To Hollywood To go meet Like the owners The dean of the school And some big gala event Where they all Pat each other on the back And tell each other How fucking great they are And And it Definitely Paged a fucking nerve Didn't it Paula Oh it did Oh let's get into this one Let's get into this one

[00:36:23] We got an email We got an email We talked to One of the head Of the head Of the franchise From this company God bless us We talked to the **** From this company I might believe this I don't know We're not quite sure yet You know what we're going to do With this But she They are really pissed off They were like Oh I was really hurt by this And then They were trying to go through And twist our arms On telling them Who sent the emails Although too Because they were so Fucking concerned About what people Were saying about them And they wanted to come after them

[00:36:53] Right I think With these beauty schools That she's not quite sure She's looking around But some of them Saying that It might be an NDA That you can't talk about Your experience Or some of the things Publicly about the beauty school Yeah but that's the thing That's why When she said This is anonymous Please keep this anonymous And she asked three times For the person's name Of who sent an email And I finally told her We respect people's Autonomy And anonymity Anonymity If you write in An email And you say Please don't tell We're not going to tell Who wrote it

[00:37:23] Right That's right That's how much We respect them And so we wouldn't Really let her do that And then She told us About the school Here in Salt Lake City Actually locally It's over in the Mill Creek area And I said I know That school well I was a guest Educator there for Years with Bedhead With the salon I worked with They would go in And cutting classes While I did makeup with them I've done workshops There seminars There so I know The school well And she said Well we can organize A private tour for you To go and

[00:37:53] To the school And I said Oh that would be great And I love you Jason But you're saying They buttered me up They didn't butter me up This was morbid curiosity And curiosity Killed the cat Like here's It wasn't just that though It was a trap Oh it was That's what it was It was a total fucking trap Because I got invited To one of their schools Here in Washington State And I was kind of like Nah I'm not really interested But I also knew Why are you inviting me To go to a beauty school For what?

[00:38:22] Yeah And I do But I just did not know The degree Of what they would go to Right It was So insulting So incredibly insulting So I get there 10 minutes early And of course I don't think They expect any hairdresser To be early But Right But they're 10 months early Right This lovely woman It comes in behind me She's like Oh Paula And I said okay So we go into this office And she's got a couple of books With her And she goes to hand me a book Well it is Be nice or else By

[00:38:53] I looked at the book I looked at the book I said Oh I already have this I read it 15 years ago It has some really good content And she says okay And I said I don't need it I already have one With no 10 at home And she says okay And so then Another instructor Comes up And meets me And everything like that And when they shake hands I really do judge people On how they shake hands Fuck yeah And if you If you shake hands Like a dead floppy Wet fish No Yeah Yeah And so if you're off Hi

[00:39:22] And so I'm like okay Hi And so I'm like Okay hi Well then This girl Erica Goes to hand me the book And says okay Well we want to get a picture Of you holding the book And I said why Oh no No Yeah She said It'll make him feel better I'm all him She says yeah him I said him Who She said I said you mean And she says yes And I hand the book And I backed her And I said I'm not okay with this I'm not going to endorse it Yeah She looked at me Like I had just hit her With a shit

[00:39:51] Sandwich She went red And so the two girls Are just standing There not knowing What to say And I'm perfectly Comfortable And I lean up Against the wall And I'm all So here's the thing I know you're uncomfortable Right now And if you don't want To give me the tour I'm fine with that So it's all up to you And so they're okay And now they're stuck Yeah Yeah Go on So they're giving me this tour Beautiful school 190 students 25 instructors And you can see A lot of these students Are bright eyed

[00:40:21] And I read So they're girlfriends Are much Sure Was out of their irate Oh yeah And after all I'm 18% unosurritos Aner Saiesh So they're asking me There for how are they Playing is new dichesse Oh yeah And then they have them Come on And you're talking Wow That's a lot of precise bussheet How do we find out What can you pull in here And then the other ones I like

[00:40:51] and I sat in my car and you know me I like the F word, I like the F bomb quite a bit but I sat in my car for five minutes and I thought oh my god what in the hell did I just walk into? How stupid do they think I am that they're going to use my face, my name, my image and the image and reputation of this podcast because they want to make feel better. Yep. That's exactly

[00:41:20] what it was. Yeah, go take your flying marquees and fly elsewhere. Yes. And you want to be nice? Here's the fucking thing of it though is that they reached out to us we called back and we actually talk of like they're not the dean, not the whore but we talked to Tina and we were like hey we want to know if this is true and of course she didn't want to go through and tell us any truth what she wanted to do was find out who the fucking student was so that way she could go after them

[00:41:50] and we wouldn't give that to her. So her nest and I guaranteed the dean of the school was probably we were probably on speakerphone he probably heard the entire conversation yeah, I know how these guys operate which is fine. Whatever. I don't give a shit we we're not saying anything we're not going through and like, you know we're basically repeating what someone has told us which I have actually talked to a few of their friends and they've also confirmed this as well though too. You want to get on Reddit and read some of this shit? They all talk about it

[00:42:18] and there has been lawsuits out there as well too. They haven't won a ton of ummy and me but there has been lawsuits out there but she could not get the information out of it. The second best thing they could do was try to go through and make us look like we're with their side, their team. Right. I think that was the I think that was the intention of the picture with the book. And they laid the traps. This was the trap because they invited me to one of the schools they invited you to one school. I wasn't interested

[00:42:47] and you're kind of like, let's see what these fuckers got. Yeah, I know, I know. It's a good shit. It's better than I ever expected. They showed you what they got and they showed you what they're made of. You know what I mean? How afraid are you to go through? You have to go through and get a picture of the book with this person for Dear Leader What the fuck is that? I don't know. I don't know. And these lovely women they can, I mean all of these people they can do better. That's the thing. They can do better.

[00:43:17] And so talk about doing better. Okay. So crunch the numbers. 190 students. Okay. Once they're done They had 190 students at their school? At one school in the Utah area. Okay. Now here's the thing. There are at least 50 schools in Utah. Right. So you're talking you're a few thousand students you're popping out. There are 1,988 salons in Utah. So how many people how many job spots are available

[00:43:46] for each for each student once they get out? And that was the thing with the federal funding is they want to return on investment. Right. So we're talking job placement and not just one job placement. We're talking longevity sustainability for these students and for our economy. Yeah. Okay. Now an average of 30 to 450 students per school. It's kind of a lot. Yeah. All right. And then average cost of school

[00:44:14] is $24,650 and that's before their kit fees and whatever other other expenses they have. Yeah. An average of 40% of these students are federally funded. Now the 40%, I went low on that percentage from everything. Okay. Okay. So you get to the you get to the very end of it and the numbers turn out that 2.09% of people that graduate

[00:44:43] from cosmetology school have a sustainable success rate of employment. Damn. Yes. Okay. Now here's the thing. Be nice and don't oversaturate our industry. Exactly. Come on. Yeah. Do better. Yeah. But that's the thing is they don't fucking care as long as our schools are full and they're going through like oh my god look what we're doing. We're going to meet all these people in education but it's not sustainable

[00:45:13] for your fucking area. They have like 10 beautiful students for every salon. How many salons are opening up or hiring I should say 10 fucking people per year. They're not. But not only that though how many salons that we're talking about or just one person that are not hiring. That's the thing that you know because we go through I remember we went through the numbers last week and we're asking like okay how many salons are there. It gave us the salons but didn't tell us how many salons are actually going through and have more than just

[00:45:42] one chair. Yes. Exactly. They can have two chairs. It just shows the license yeah it shows a licensed business there and that's all that we're really showing. Exactly. Because you look at my area right and there's probably a good like out of all the good salons right here especially in Bellevue there's like five. Yes. All of them the rest of them are suites and then it shows like a couple of hundred in this area you know what I mean but it's like that's a suite. It is a registered business so that's we almost have to go through and cut a lot of that like 20% of that out you know because a lot of people

[00:46:12] are not hiring you know they're not some big shop it's not like you where you actually have the room to hire people right these places don't they don't have the room to hire people so they are going through an over saturing area and what you told me is that they had 190 students but they wanted how many more 250 they want 250 children why not I know here's the thing and then towards the end I mean I just kind of got bombarded by a lot of these people who are you what are you doing here what are you I'm all okay well you guys

[00:46:42] invited me here you didn't tell your staff who you were inviting to your school so yeah I know so at the end when girls they knew Paula they knew they were just acting okay okay I'm raised in this culture I know how to act stupid when I need to right so and so one girl says well what what are you doing here I said oh they offered me a tour because I'm part of a podcast and she's all what's it called and I said should I told my hairdresser and she says

[00:47:12] what do you guys talk about and I said we tell people stories we don't talk shit people think that we gossip we don't what we do is we tell other people's stories they write into us we don't look at them for this for the stories so they're telling they're giving us their knowledge their experiences and we just talk about it and I said so you know that's kind of what we're doing and then one of the girls looked at me and she says yeah you know

[00:47:41] this industry is hard and I said this industry is really really difficult I said it's a grind it is a grind and there's no getting past that and it'd be nice to teach the students that and it'd be nice to teach them about finances it'd be nice to teach them about retirement about accounting everything like that they're not going to tell them Paula they're not going to tell them because there's no money in it I know I know but here's the thing this girl looks and he goes yeah and you know they're blaming the schools I said yes

[00:48:12] they are let me ask you a question where the fuck does it start does it start at home or does it start at the school where the kids start at they start at the school they start at the school and then they go to the school and the school starts telling them on how amazing they're going to be and how $100,000 they're going to make per year and what does that student do they go home to their parents and saying like hey you want to what I can go to beauty school look at the career I can have I'm going to be the next like Chris McMillan or some shit I'm going to be the next Kimbo or something

[00:48:42] like that you want to what you could be you could be that doesn't make it so exactly exactly you know and these students I mean there were a couple of students in there and hairdressers no hairdressers and there were a couple of students I was gravitated to and I'm all you're going to be one of the ones you're going to be one of us the other ones deer in the headlights just oh yeah we couldn't figure out why they were there and that's fine but here's the thing why don't we create a school system where they go month

[00:49:11] by month hey month by month they get into it two three four five six months later and they say this isn't for me I'm not going to do this guess what no financial obligation

[00:49:49] the school can let like 16 to 2100 hours and you spend the most amount of money that's really going to hit you with because that's where they get the most federal funding yeah and even this girl said she said we've got um you know these young boys young men young women that um want to just be barbers and they can't they and we go to do a color class and they say why am I doing color I don't want to do color I just want to barbering and I said then why don't you compartmentalize

[00:50:22] the entire program by saying do the whole program and yes you can then go and be a barber yeah wow but now when I did go to their website I didn't notice something as well too is that they actually have where you can actually apply for more federal funding if you like for right so that way you go to school and not have to have a job so you actually get more money from the federal government whether you live at home you get so much more money if you live at home

[00:50:52] or you don't live at home and I'm like what the fuck is this when I was in college we used to call those professional students ah right yeah uh-huh as long as they're in the school they got paid right we'll see but here's the thing though when you're out of school and you need to go through and make that money and you're only making $35,000 how do you pay that back oh after 15 years at what interest if you're still in the industry and that's a fucking problem that people aren't talking about after five

[00:51:22] years 95% of these people are no longer in the school how about tell them that how about go through and be honest with these people and tell them what the numbers really are what the statistics are of course they're not going to do that they want money but how much money is enough money how many houses are you gonna we're talking about that's the bullshit that they don't

[00:51:52] want you to know what they want you to see is they go through and they write these books and say how amazing the industry is and to be nice be a nice person and all the nice things are gonna happen to you guys they don't you gotta fucking put the work in you gotta go through and do all the shit jobs I mean when I first started off man I was going to work at the academy for free every fucking weekend just because I wanted to learn I

[00:52:37] and I did it before I was even paid to do it you know and that they don't tell you that part they think oh pay us $30,000 and we make sure that you're going to make this much

[00:53:07] they have all these fucking add-ons and shit the majority of the when you talk to these students and I have they'll tell you straight up if I want to go through and learn all this stuff I have to

[00:53:37] it's just that can you do it yes you can the likelihood of you doing it is actually pretty low guys it's actually very low so I hate to go through and destroy your dream of

[00:54:07] majority of the art team was like 10 guys that was it had 50 salons and then we had ambassadors from all over I

[00:54:37] a day plus a $40 a day per diem yep so that's what that's what the thing that they don't tell you you know on how they do pay you

[00:55:09] really well guess what they pay now that's what Disney pays per day $250 a day $250 a day you skip five grand 200 and you want to what it's because the Instagram they're reaching out to all these hairdressers they'll go through you out and I'm talking

[00:55:38] like 20 years getting like 7 to 10 grand for one movie poster it's not the same I gotta bring on Susie she used to work for the salon I used to work at I was talking to her the other day and she goes Jason the shit has changed she's like now they get on Instagram and ask anybody because you can be around a famous person or do something for Disney or Target they don't pay shit anymore people don't know that they think like they're gonna go through and work in LA or get on doing a

[00:56:08] movie it industry well who's the one making all that money who's the one raking in all

[00:56:38] that money it's the big companies they're working on your back like we're just talking with lease they're working on top of your back so you go through you further their name so every you make it credible to everybody else around you they all fall for the Kool-Aid and the ones in the back you know New York and when I was younger I pursued I actually had a really promising modeling

[00:57:08] career I decided not to pursue it because I was fully aware of the Weinsteins and the Epsteins out there that would take full advantage of a woman so I even had a good friend of mine used to be a Utah attorney general called me one time and told me that his step daughter wanted to become a makeup artist and wanted to go to LA and I said number one she's really mousy kind of soft spoken he said yeah

[00:57:38] and I said don't yeah don't she won't survive they will eat her up and they were they will spit her out it's not a world at all yep yeah and as a female makeup artist I mean if that's the shit you're willing to go through you know what what's her name said how I fucked my way to the top that's fine I

[00:58:08] they're they're not to go through there and help you with your career they just wanted to that's it you know and that's what I tell always tell people like oh why'd you move from LA like because I lived in LA like no no why'd you

[00:58:38] and if you want to get to the top where everyone know like you know like especially like what I'm seeing is all these people they'll go to like a Sephora or Cosmoprop and they have their picture on the stand they're so excited to get their fucking picture on the stand you realize that last maybe three months and then they forget about you yeah exactly that's it and by the way you paid them to put your picture on the fucking thing you know what I mean because by the time you go through the amount of hours

[00:59:08] and the amount of sweat and everything you put into all this shit you don't take in that consideration as time that you need be paid for they don't see it that way yeah all of my self education that I did for myself I mean that's priceless absolutely crisis and that was one of the things I actually really did like about bedhead is the experience that I got I mean I got my chops on especially on stage and I

[00:59:54] that you make this much money as long as you pay that right and then they go through and bring the people in to fundraise to you and hopefully you or your parents will send money to them which guys I went through and look at your taxes I did a little bit of deep dive on some of these fundraisers that you guys are doing $300,000 is going

[01:00:24] and actually fundraise to your students or do education for your FUN razor come on now what was it one of them come on now yeah so I hear you great thanks for going through and you know explaining to us how you're helping people give back to you know the industry or give back to charities where you're like these are villages in Africa let's build some wells and some dams

[01:00:54] these are students they have no money they're giving you all their they have to go to the federal government to ask for money just to go to your school and then you're using them to fundraise on then when you go through you look at the fundraisers as well too it's like hey make sure that Lisa given his dog goes through and has wheels for his back legs or shit

[01:01:24] going to using 300,000 of whatever per year to go through and send your dean around all the schools to go through and fundraise even more and to sell his book go yourself really prove me wrong get on send me another email prove me wrong I definitely want to hear from you guys I want to hear some stuff on this let's get some shit going my feathers are rarely ruffled my feathers were ruffled still it's been not even a week

[01:01:54] can't believe what I experienced it was very insulting let's hear it bitches let's hear it it's time to get to that dirty dirty theology hey Paula how was your visit to the school system last week it was the most fucking like a fucking lamb are you kidding me

[01:02:22] that school is a fucking disservice for all they fucking want is goddamn money fundraise for them as well too no but I'm surprised because asked for that too fucking apples exactly and with that stay and see you next hey listener persons if you're

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